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Old 06-22-2015, 02:37 PM
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Will crating ever end?

Our 10 month old Jack mix has been regularly crated since we got him at age 9 weeks.

2, 3 weeks ago, we began to crate less. Typically he is crated overnight, and when I was going to work outside of the house, but i am now home most days. We have a small horse farm, and he is outside most good days if I am tied up with horse/barn stuff. We had got to a point where he could be in the house for extended times uncrated, but, sadly "got into some things" aka my shoes, a couple times, so back to crating we went.

Hubby and I took a few days away and had someone stay here with the pups and he was crated while she was at work, with multiple breaks during the day by folks helping out (boarders). He, once again, got into my shoes.

His behavior lately is more rambunctious, listening less to our commands, more chewing, more crazy, at our older dog all the time to where she tries to get away. She was a great momma to him early on,now she lets him walk all over her.

So, what should my expectations be for a high energy dog with regard to crating? I was hoping we'd, some day, be able to let him sleep in the room outside the crate, and let him have the house eventually when I run out or go for a long trail ride. Just wondering if there are pups out there that never grow out of the "need" to be crated.

He crashes hard at night, so if we go out to eat, he is good, but we keep gates up. We have a senior cat, and I'd love to think some day the gates will come down. Wondering what other's experiences are if similar circumstances?
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have you tried to use stimulation toys?
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It depends on the dog. Some dogs are great at around a year, most dog are okay by 2 years, some dogs can't be trusted until around 5 years, and some dogs can't ever be trusted.

I would just keep crating for now and in a few months, give it another try. After putting the shoes somewhere else. Maybe on top of the fridge, lol.
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My dog wasn't reliable outside of the crate until very recently. He's 2.5 years old.
He was crated for his first year, then when we moved to a new apartment we stopped crating him at night because his crate was in our bedroom now and he would cry and cry.

So we let him stay out and he did great! We continued crating when we weren't home.

In February we moved to a house, his crate is now located in the living room and we've been letting him stay out when we go out. Aside from a few mishaps where he's devoured the cat food - he's not been getting into things and is reliable to be outside of the crate. We do still use the crate occasionally around meal times because my daughter will feed him from her highchair if we don't.


What we learned about letting him roam free was that he was better behaved if we still managed his surroundings to an extent before leaving the house - such as moving the cat food.

In your case, I would probably leave him with a frozen stuffed kong and definitely make a note of what things he gets into while you are gone and be sure to "puppy proof" before you leave. In time you may find he's more reliable but it may take longer than just a few weeks.

OR you can just keep crating and figure out when he's ready by trial and error.
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He's going through the dreaded teenage phase. He'll grow out of it, you will just have to ramp up obedience training in the interim.
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We still crate our dog and he's 2 years old. I don't know if he will ever be an "uncrated" dog. He gets into a lot of things, despite having puzzle toys and chew toys at his disposal, and he has had a few accidents when we've left him uncrated. It also seems more stressful for him...he cries a lot more when we leave him out and we go somewhere...even if it's just outside to mow the lawn.

However, we have been able to leave him in a small room (bathroom, enclosed foyer) and he has been ok. I think it's the size of the room vs. how he feels in the crate.
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He's going through the dreaded teenage phase. He'll grow out of it, you will just have to ramp up obedience training in the interim.
This. It's not uncommon for puppies' behavior to worsen when they get around this age. Can be quite frustrating to people when their seemingly trained pup starts blowing off commands and chewing all over again, but they do outgrow it

Our Brittany when I was still living with my parents didn't get reliable out of the crate until he was two years at least. Some are reliable much sooner- at 10 months my puppy probably wouldn't have caused any trouble, but I crate for other reasons. Some never truly get reliable, some are absolutely fine by a year. It all depends on the dog.
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It depends on the dog. Some dogs are great at around a year, most dog are okay by 2 years, some dogs can't be trusted until around 5 years, and some dogs can't ever be trusted.

I would just keep crating for now and in a few months, give it another try. After putting the shoes somewhere else. Maybe on top of the fridge, lol.



This 100%. My dog was reliable outside of the crate at 18 weeks. At around 20-24 weeks there were days when I had to be gone for 10-12 hours and I watched her on the doggie cam. She slept and ate and drank a little but no potty mistakes and no chewing.

My last two dogs...took me years and years to trust them outside of a crate and even then, I had to gate them because they were just way too busy and destructive. So my advice is to go in baby steps. I did feel bad leaving them in crates until they were like 2 and 4 respectively, but gating them off in a dog proof area where they had space to stretch their legs was a good compromise for all of us.

Maybe start there?

I just couldn't stand coming home to chewed up items and messes and it would make me angry. Which was bad for all of us.
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