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Old 10-28-2013, 10:11 AM
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Who needs sleep? Apparently, not Theo!

Well, I got all excited about Theo sleeping until I get up, and guess what....he has decided he'd rather get up at 5.30am. Every morning, for the past 4 days, with the exception of Sunday morning. Argh!!! I get up at 6am to let him outside, feed, and play. This has been our routine for 3 months now.

Someone on the forum had suggested moving his crate into our bedroom, which my husband is staunchly against until he can sleep until 6am (or at least, be quiet until 6am). Theo goes to bed at 10pm; maybe he needs to go to bed later, but honestly, I don't know if I can! I'm out like a light by 10pm. He's been trying to fall asleep between 8.30pm-10pm lately, so we've been trying to keep him awake with the goal of him sleeping until 6am.

We leave a nightlight on for him, a white noise machine, and he has several snuggly things in his crate for the night. My husband (oh, dear husband) occasionally gets up when Theo starts barking because it irritates him, but I believe this is just reinforcing Theo to start woofing at 5.30am. My husband will take him out, and then put him back in his crate, where he'll be quiet until I get up, then he'll want to go out again. So, I'm not entirely convinced this is a bathroom urgency issue.

Does he need to go to bed later? Are we not playing with him enough? I took his extreme tiredness at 8.30pm to be a sign that he was exhausted and had been played with enough. I was contemplating putting a puzzle toy in there, but I think he'd just eat it at 10pm. I don't think it would keep him busy at 5.30am.
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I don't know, Raffles goes to bed at 9.30 and sleeps till 5, and always wants to go out for a pee then. Last night though, he was tired out and went to bed at 7.30 - it was a real struggle to get him out for a last pee at 9.30, and of course he was awake at 4. Now our clocks have gone back an hour and his hasn't, it's going to be a struggle to keep him awake until bedtime! Anyway, it sounds like they're sleeping about the same length of time.
Raffles sleeps downstairs though, so hubby still manages to sleep till 8am, after telling me my squeaky dog's awake.
What I normally do is let him out at 5 and then go back to sleep, both of us on the couch.
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What do you do last thing at night? Our usual last activity is hiding kibble (only a few) in boxes - he uses up a lot of energy on that. We stop that about half an hour before bedtime, he has a last run out and then goes to sleep. Before that he has a quiet time between 7-8 when we eat, with a frozen bone or other chew.
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Well, Theo will gravitate toward his bed, at which point we basically bug him to keep him awake! We take him out for a final bathroom break at 9.45ish. I guess we're not really doing much to keep him awake between 9-10. He does have his own selected quiet time after he eats, so from 7.30-8, he takes a quick snooze.
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With a border collie you might have to use this as an opportunity to work on an off switch. Some are very busy dogs and they have to be able to cope with you not paying attention to them everytime they want to play. Tigger went through a phase of wanting to play in the mornings before I was ready to get up. I basically just ignored him. Kept giving him a nylabone or bully stick or hoof and turned over to go back to sleep (he slept on the bed). Eventually he got it. He would chew it and/or just go back to sleep.

Same thing during the day if I needed to work on something else. I insisted that he either chew on a toy or go to sleep. Getting into everything isn't an option. Again, I didn't have a crate.
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hmm, ok, I like the way you think. I need to find a chew for him, to put in the cage when he is woofing in the morning. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Applejack is doing very well on sleeping through the night right now, and kindly goes back to sleep after I take her out first thing in the morning. But I just know that's going to change when we move her from bed to crate on the floor of the room later this week. It's going to be a nightmare.

Let me know if you figure out something that works for Theo!
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This morning, Theo stepped it up to 5.15am, then again at 5.40am, and finally, at 6am when I got up. UGH. I took him out at 5.15 and then put him back in his crate, and gave him a kong stuffed with a treat, thinking it might take him a minute to work it out. Guess not!

I really think he'd sleep better if he were upstairs with us, but my husband disagrees. Sidenote: who knew how much having a puppy would affect a marriage?? I was not anticipating this part of owning a dog.

Another sidenote: are there any truly indestructible toys? Theo has always torn apart his toys. He rips off most of the appendages, bites through rubber, and deflates buddy balls. We have given him several toys that are supposedly indestructible and made for chewers, but he has ripped through most of them.
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This morning, Theo stepped it up to 5.15am, then again at 5.40am, and finally, at 6am when I got up. UGH. I took him out at 5.15 and then put him back in his crate, and gave him a kong stuffed with a treat, thinking it might take him a minute to work it out. Guess not!

I really think he'd sleep better if he were upstairs with us, but my husband disagrees. Sidenote: who knew how much having a puppy would affect a marriage?? I was not anticipating this part of owning a dog.

Another sidenote: are there any truly indestructible toys? Theo has always torn apart his toys. He rips off most of the appendages, bites through rubber, and deflates buddy balls. We have given him several toys that are supposedly indestructible and made for chewers, but he has ripped through most of them.
I doubt it! They are all destructable...It might just take more effort to destroy the ones that are "indestructible" lol.

I personally never buy stuffed toys or fabric toys. I think it's a waste. I've never had a puppy that wouldn't have one destroyed in 2 minutes flat. Plus the risk of them eating the stuffing isn't worth it.

So I usually stick to the heavier rubber, nylon and plastic toys. The black kongs are supposed to be pretty good. I've never had an issue with puppy kongs though. Tigger still has his lol. Tennis balls and racketballs tend to last at my house.

Ropes are nice, but Tigger would shred them pretty quick. I found a store that sells them for like, $2 each though, so I don't really mind. I also am a huge fan of Nylabones. Of course, Nylabones are meant to disintegrate and break down into tiny pieces as they are chewed. But I love them because they really seem to satisfy a dog's urge to chew, and they do last a reasonable amount of time. If he has his adult teeth, you can get the durabones instead of the puppy bones. They last longer. I got all my puppies addicted to them to the point they really chewed on nothing else. They saved SO much stuff lol.

As for the marriage, LOL yup! I can't imagine it's much different from having a child. Luckily me and my bf see eye to eye with a lot of things. For the things we don't, he's usually ok with how I do it because he knows the way I do it is always going to be kind to the dog. He likes to torture his dog for amusement. I mean, not literally torture and hurt her. But mess with her and do things that might scare her and she might not like. I'm not ok with my dogs being purposefully scared, so he knows that, so he doesn't do it. Sometimes I use his behavior as an opportunity to desensitize and counter condition my dogs to things LOL.
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Oh, my hubby is just the same! He loves to tickle and poke Applejack. He's pretty much handed her over to me until she's a bit older ^^; . Now he's wondering why she won't do for him what she does for me :P.

Our problem at the moment is its hard to have grown up time with a pup that can't stand to be seperated from us (me) for even a moment. She sleeps on our bed at the moment since she's so little but...well, I don't think it can stay that way.
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