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Old 08-22-2011, 02:08 AM
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Question When will I sleep again?!

My partner and I have had our 11 week old Bernese mountain dog, Jessie, for 2 weeks. She is a gorgeous ball of fluff! and we are having a lot of fun with her . However we seem to be struggling on getting her toilet trained and the sleeping through the night.

I am dead on my feet this morning, after a whole night of Jessie's barking and whining.

I have read 3 books on puppies and followed the advice. We kept her in our room for the first week (she still barked at night), and got up countless times to let her out. Then she was brought down to 'her room' which is in our conservatory (with a baby gate). We come down at 12.30 and 3.30 in the night to let her out.

We haven't got a crate, because she is going to be such a huge dog we would need a huge crate. One of the puppy books said it would be just as good fencing off an area. We both work full time (we have family who come for a few hours during the day) so we wouldnt want her confined to a crate, so she has her room with some newspaper in the corner.

We have both had time off work over the past few weeks to spend time with her. When we are in we let her run round the house for an hour or 2. She seems to have got into the habit of going to the toilet on our carpet. Despite taking her out regularly. It seems she keeps crossing her little legs till we take her in and then finds her nice spot on the carpet!! Catching her doing it the yard is rare and therefore it is hard to praise her.

At night she is barking and barking. We ignore her (though we find it hard) and just go down at 12.30 and 3.30. She has usually been to the toilet already when we go down (so we keep adjusting the time), so when we take her outside, she usually just lies down by my feet and falls asleep!

She is definately well loved and gets lots of attention. We give her lots of praise and are not telling her off. But we need sleep! and I would love to have her toileting in the yard. Are we doing the right things here? What should we do about the barking at night (she doesn't bark any other time) and how do I get her to go to the loo outside?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:31 AM
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Welcome to the forum and congrats on your puppy! You sound very well educated on puppies! (what books have you read?)

First thing to say is this stage does not last forever!

Second thing to say is it sounds like puppy needs a LOT more exercise during the day so she is tired at night and will sleep. EXERCISE is the key... a tired puppy is a good puppy!

So see if you can get her outside for several 20 to 30 minute strolls per day. What I mean is you stroll and allow her to romp and explore, preferably off leash if it is safe where you are. If you can do this in a field or woods, that's terrific. If you don't live in such an area, you'll need to find another way to get her energy out such as tossing a toy for her in the yard.

Remember at this age a puppy does not yet understand the concept of walking quietly by your side on a 6 foot leash around the block, so that is likely not a useful way to get her energy out. Puppies want to explore, run, stop, sniff, lay down, pop up, chase a little bird, come back to you to check in, and so forth, so the best thing is to get her out to do this natural activity.
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OK, I'm reading your post again... a couple of hints for you!

1. Giving her the run of the house is not a good idea as she will learn to potty all over the place! She should be in one room with your direct supervision, or you take her out into the garden for play time.

2. Take her out to the yard on a leash to ONE place you want her to potty and wait quietly until she pees. Immediately give her a small treat (within 1 to 2 seconds!) then let her off leash to play. This way she learns to potty right away.

3. PREVENT accidents inside by keeping her confined or under your supervision. IF you catch her IN THE ACT, do NOT punish her, as she won't understand WHY you are scolding. She will simply become afraid to potty in your sight, which makes it very difficult to teach her what you WANT her to do by rewarding her for potty outside.
Instead just gently interrupt her with "uh oh!" and scoop her up to take her out. In general, you want to avoid these instances anyway, by taking her out frequently and rewarding her for peeing outside. Accidents are not her fault! She does not yet understand so you need to teach her... so no scolding, OK?

Hm... I'm wondering what puppy books you have read that have given you the advice you are following regarding potty training? Here is a very good one!

Amazon.com: Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog (9781577314554): Dr. Ian Dunbar: Books Amazon.com: Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog (9781577314554): Dr. Ian Dunbar: Books



We also have a nice thread here on potty training. https://www.dogforum.com/housebreakin...-how-tos-2135/

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So in summary I have two recommends for you

1. You need to totally re-think your potty training system. What you are doing won't work and could lead to either a very long potty training time, or even total failure at house training.

2. Increase the outdoor exercise time!


I would be happy to work with you on the potty training routine if you would like additional help. I've potty trained quite a few puppies quickly and easily!
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Hi! I've got a 5 month old puppy and I had a few of the same problems as you!
I'm not an expert but I can tell you what worked for us and what we wish we hadn't done!
Firstly, Sookie, our pup, would cry awfully at night and work herself into a frenzy, soiling herself and basically being a mess! So we had her sleep in a crate by the bed. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea and it wasn't forever but I had my hand on the cage for the 1st few nights, which settled her. She didn't need the loo as the crate was her bed and she didn't cry at all. After she had gotten used to bring at home for a few hours on her own in our kitchen, we then started having her sleep there at night and there wasn't ever w problem with crying after that.
I would say that we used puppy pads at first to train her as we have a townhouse with the back door downstairs from the living area and she could 'do' stairs at the time. Big mistake I think, as took us forever to get her housetrained. I believe the pads really ruined the housetraining, buts that's just my personal experience.
Sorry for rambling but I think at the end of the day, a puppy is a hairy baby and should be looked after the same way, if they are not used to sleeping alone then break them
In gently. Like I said it's not forever and it helps ease them into family life.
Hope ive helped! : )
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I agree that using pads or paper tends to confuse the issue and prolong housetraining. Thanks for your comments, Sookie!

Its much clearer to the puppy to teach her to potty in a certain spot outside, and be consistent with that. Its very confusing for puppy to pee inside on paper, and outside on the grass. What you want to do is establish ONE clear habit. Dogs don't have the complex concepts of "its OK to pee here on the paper and out here anywhere in the yard, but no where else."

Make it simple for pup teach "here is where you potty and get a nice treat!" THAT is the habit to establish.

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maybe these will help
House training a puppy or rescue - YouTube
How to train your dog to be left alone- clicker training - YouTube
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Everyone else has given advice I probably would have given, so I'm going to instead go along this line:

You do realize that if you had a human baby you'd probably not be getting any sleep for anywhere from 6 months to a year right? Hell maybe even longer. And I've known people who had infants that needed attention for one reason or another every hour every night all night for the first few months..

The reason I bring it up is because you need to change your mind-set about this puppy. You have a baby. And you've had the baby for about two weeks. It's going to take time, commitment, and sacrifice to turn this little baby into a well-adjusted adult.. just like with human babies.

The good news? They don't stay puppies forever.

The bad news? You're probably going to be sleepless awhile yet. So in the mean time, do what they recommend for parents: Sleep when baby sleeps. If you see the puppy napping, try to grab a quick nap as well! I do this with Sam and she's almost 5 months old. If she looks sleepy, I'll actually take her into the bedroom and plop her on the bed. Then we'll both sleep for a good couple of hours! This is on the weekend of course when I have time to catch up on my sleep

For the record, we also both work full time. Our puppy must use puppy-pads during the day as well, she has her "room" (the kitchen), which makes encouraging her to go outside when we are home a bit more difficult. But you do what you gotta do. It may take longer than your average puppy though, not gonna lie.
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