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Old 06-24-2011, 03:06 PM
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pawzaddict - she just breeds and she does have test results to show.

I don't especially want a pb and I really don't care if it's Kennel Club registered - I just want a healthy, happy pet. However, I've been very influenced by people on this forum who are scathing about dogs that aren't bred by 'official' breeders (i.e. bred by back yard breeders) so I didn't feel I had any other choice. I haven't been able to find anything suitable on dog rescue sites. I particularly want a dog that doesn't moult which somewhat limits my choices I know. If I go on sites such as pets4homes then I don't know how genuine the breeders are about the welfare of the pups.
If you're not concerned with a purebred dog, then visit any pound or shelter - this time of year they have puppies for sure and are hurting for space and resources. But don't check just Petfinder.org - visit, in person, and discuss your needs with the staff - they might have your perfect friend waiting just 'round the corner.

Technically, birds 'moult' - dogs shed fur. And ALL dogs shed fur - with the exception of a Xolo or a Peruvian Incan Orchid or the like, where they have almost no hair to speak of. Dogs with coarse, flat hair that tends to curl will retain their dead hair (and dust and dander) more than, say, a labrador or GSD. But all dogs shed to some degree.

I would call this lady a Backyard Breeder simply due to the fact that her dogs are not raised in the house + the fact that she has pups on the ground that aren't spoken for already - what happened to her waiting list, did they all disappear??

Breeders do indeed come in all shapes and sizes, but if you want a stable, well-bred dog from known healthy (physical and temperament) stock, then speak with a breeder who matches the following ideals:

* Breeds purebred dogs of known, documented pedigree.
* Breeds purebred dogs of known temperament and genetic health.
* Breeds purebred dogs only after the age of 2 years
* Is a member in good standing with their breed club as well as the American Kennel Club, United Kennel Club or Canadian Kennel Club
* Breeds dogs because they are in love with the breed
* DOES something with their dogs



As far as being registered with a kennel club, it's just that - a paperwork club. There are some checks n' balances, such as making sure that matings aren't too close, making sure papers are accurate and not fraudulent - but fraud does still happen. The AKC does not perform rigorous inspections, they don't hound breeders about their practices, etc. It is simply a registration. If you want to research breeders, always start with the breed club.

If she doesn't show her dogs, then how does she ensure that she's breeding to standard?? Does she at least work them?

You say "tests". Do you see things like OFA, PennHip, CERF, Optigen on the dam and sire's paperwork? If not, she's not getting them tested properly.

You don't need a couple weeks. Give her your "No thanks" now, but tell her why. It's important that she know she's not doing everything properly - Backyard Breeders always need education.

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The most important thing to remember is to take your time, do your research on the breed, see as many breeders as you can and ask all the questions you can about breed problems.

We breed straight back german shepherds, some of the people we have had around that either dont like dog hair, wet dogs, grooming etc yet want a GSD... lol the mind boggles

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The most important thing to remember is to take your time, do your research on the breed, see as many breeders as you can and ask all the questions you can about breed problems.

We breed straight back german shepherds, some of the people we have had around that either dont like dog hair, wet dogs, grooming etc yet want a GSD... lol the mind boggles
Gazraz - I tried to visit your link and my work filter flagged it as "Abused Drugs" . . . Super weird! Do you OFA/PennHip and Optigen/CERF your dogs? What do you mean by 'straight-back' exactly? The GSD should have a very slight curve near the haunches, though not as bad as many of the American show dogs. I agree it is utterly bizarre that people will like the 'look' of a dog but are appalled that said dog is slobbery and sheds like crazy.
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Gazraz - I tried to visit your link and my work filter flagged it as "Abused Drugs" . . . Super weird! Do you OFA/PennHip and Optigen/CERF your dogs? What do you mean by 'straight-back' exactly? The GSD should have a very slight curve near the haunches, though not as bad as many of the American show dogs. I agree it is utterly bizarre that people will like the 'look' of a dog but are appalled that said dog is slobbery and sheds like crazy.

Sorry about the link issue, I am not allowed to promote my new pet shop here.

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