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Old 06-13-2011, 04:10 PM
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Two questions about buying a puppy from a breeder

I have been looking to get my second dog for a while now and I went to see a litter today and have put my name down on a Miniature Schnauzer bitch pup. She's four and a half weeks old (photo of the litter below) so it's a bit difficult to tell what she'll be like when she gets older so I'll be going again in a couple of weeks.

The breeder is an accredited Kennel Club breeder so she does all the requisite eye tests, health checks etc etc and I saw the pups with mum but sadly I couldn't see dad because he was off 'working' with another bitch (it's a dog's life ).

I have two questions which I'd like some input on. Firstly, the mum had lost quite a bit of fur on her back which the breeder said was a hormonal thing due to pregnancy and birth which made sense to me - but is this anything to be concerned about?

It is obvious that the breeder is exactly just that - a breeder. The dogs aren't pets, though they are definitely well looked after and were clean and appeared very happy and confident dogs. They all live in a converted stable block with plenty of space to run around. They are well socialised and mum and other dogs were happy and relaxed about us being with them. However, the puppies won't be used to 'human' sounds like the vacuum cleaner, telephones etc etc. So my second questions is that is this something I should worry about or can all that acclimatisation be done when the pup gets home?

I have to tell her for certain tomorrow if I want to go ahead. I really, really want to say 'yes' but I also want to make sure I'm doing the right thing.
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I would be a little leery of a breeder who gave me 1 day to make a decision, especially with them all being so young. I also prefer to deal with someone who insists on raising the pups indoors, but that's just me. Did she mention why she was in such a hurry to have you select your pup when it's only 4 wks?

Is she breeding just to sell the pups or is she planning on keeping any of them for her breeding program or to show...because IMO it's way to early for her to even decide which ones are show prospects or even be aware of their potential.

I really don't know anything about Minis (I think Tulip is our resident expert here) but it's not all that uncommon for a Mom, to not look her best (hair loss, borderline thin) I would ask how old she is and how many litters she's had (as well as how often)

Does she show/compete with the parents? I'm assuming she doesn't compete or title her dogs if they are living in a stable. Does she have photos of her looking her best? I'd also want to wait to meet the sire before being forced to make a decision.

Did she provide you with referrences from the kennel club or from others who have purchased from her in the past?
Has she given you permission to contact her vet?
Does she give you a health guarantee?
Does she have a contract?
Have you checked to see if she has infact done the testing on the parents?

I didn't know you were looking for another dog, Sarah...exciting stuff
I bet Synnu will be delighted to have a playmate.
Take your time and be cautious. Just try to remember that no one should push you into making a decision so quickly, that you may end up regretting. I wish you nothing but the best in your search
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Ditto everything above I personally would only want to buy from a breeder whose puppies are raised in the home, and I'd want to see some titles on the dogs.
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My rule of thumb with making decisions is, if in doubt, don't. I wouldn't want to have to make a decision overnight. If someone else takes the dog, there'll be other dogs to choose. If no-one else is queued up wanting the dog, then I'd be concerned about why the breeder needed a decision so quickly.

I remember when I got Shirley, her mum was all "bald" and not looking her best and I was told she'd dropped her hair from the pregnancy hormones.
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Cute pups but beware of that breeder. I agree with what other people said but the thing that definitely decided "NO" for my was having to make a decision in 1 day. Sorry but it sounded like the breeder was just wanting some quick money. I could be wrong who knows, but with that many puppies why would a decision need to be made in 1 day. It's highly unlikely they will be sold out that quick. I can't tell this enough: DO RESEARCH ON A BREEDER YOU WANT TO BUY FROM.
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Thanks everyone. To be fair, it wasn't the breeder who said I needed to know in a day I just said I would because I know she has other people interested and all the other pups have been spoken for already. The mum has only had one other litter and the owner is keeping one of the bitches for future breeding. She doesn't show her dogs.

Mischief's questions are good ones - she didn't have a contract for me to sign. She is getting all the required tests done (the last one when they're six weeks old) and although I didn't ask about contacting the vet, she told me where she took them so I don't think she'd be worried about me contacting them. She does do testing on the parents too.

How do I go about researching a breeder? She is an accredited breeder with the Kennel Club which means she has to meet minimum standards of health checking, care and well being so I felt that was a good start!

I know I'm really tempted because the pups seem well cared for and the timing is right. I was just unsure about the implications of buying a pup who hasn't lived in a home. Having said that, it's not as if I have hoards of children (or any children!) so it's only really everyday noises I was concerned about.

The bottom line is that I'm not 100% so I'm going to contact the breeder and ask her if I can go back in a couple of weeks to make my final decision. If she says 'no' then so be it. You're all right, I must resist the temptation to rush into things.
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Hm well I can only tell from the breeder I got Max from. We went to their home, and the puppies were in the garden. Later the 3 other dogs (bitches) came to us so we could have a look at them. The puppies were living with the family, were used to loud noises, children etc. The father wasn't there cause it wasn't the owner's dog.
Here a dog that goes into breeding has to have visited at least 3 shows with an "excellent". But I don't know how that is in the UK.
I would recommend you to have a look at at least one other breeder if you can find one. Don't rush it.
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She doesn't show her dogs? What does she do with them? Just breed? She should have test results to show you if I am not mistaken.

What makes you want a PB? Are you hoping to compete or show?
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pawzaddict - she just breeds and she does have test results to show.

I don't especially want a pb and I really don't care if it's Kennel Club registered - I just want a healthy, happy pet. However, I've been very influenced by people on this forum who are scathing about dogs that aren't bred by 'official' breeders (i.e. bred by back yard breeders) so I didn't feel I had any other choice. I haven't been able to find anything suitable on dog rescue sites. I particularly want a dog that doesn't moult which somewhat limits my choices I know. If I go on sites such as pets4homes then I don't know how genuine the breeders are about the welfare of the pups.
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Do you have a version of craiglist in the uk? Maybe find and owner rehome?

There are nauzer and oodle mixes coming out of our ears in the shelters here. Shame
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