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Old 07-16-2015, 11:41 AM
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What is wrong with you people? So if a dog attacks me.. I am to positively reinforce it when it stops? This is the craziest forum I've ever seen.
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:09 PM
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Crazy it may be but it's not the only one. You're more than welcome to find another one.
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What is wrong with you people? So if a dog attacks me.. I am to positively reinforce it when it stops? This is the craziest forum I've ever seen.
For training purposes, positive reinforcement is recommended. Training means teaching a dog not to jump up on you, not to rush people/other dogs/the door, not to nip during playing, not to 'resource' guard food, items or people. You know, every day kind of stuff.

For actual dog attacks ie: a dog is crazed with fear/pain/aggression, then you would do whatever it takes to protect yourself.

Really shouldn't have to explain that.
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What is wrong with you people? So if a dog attacks me.. I am to positively reinforce it when it stops? This is the craziest forum I've ever seen.
Please see the pm I sent you yesterday regarding forum rules about training methods.

This thread is about puppy mouthing from 12week old yorkie. Not aggression or a dog attacking. Let's just drop that right now and keep this thread on topic.

Suggesting spanking, hitting, etc. is a rule violation (see Zoesmom's post) and if continuing to do so will result in further removed posts, infractions, etc. As will arguing about this, bashing the forum and/or mods, taking posts off topic, etc. Once again, should you wish to discuss forum policies you should post in the Talk to the Team section of the forum.

Last please take a look at this research to better understand why we have the above rule:
vet.osu.edu/assets/pdf/hospital/behavior/trainingArticle.pdf
Aggressive training methods are far more likely to result in aggression from the dog. Also of course can create a fearful dog. Such methods are not to be taken lightly, should not be the go to, and certainly not to be recommended over the internet. Period.
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:48 AM
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OP, generally yelping does not help with puppy biting and just causes the puppy to get more riled up. I would recommend taking a look at this blog post: Puppy Mouthing and Nipping: A Survival Story - The Good Pet Parent Blog

If you can't use treats to train the puppy, you can use some of the food you are currently feeding and subtract that amount from her daily diet. Additionally, try to remember that though your puppy might be cute, she's also a terrier. She may be more rough and tumble than cuddly and you might just have to accept her for who she is. I would recommend time outs when the puppy is biting you so you can have a break from her and she gets a chance to calm down as well. You can try to keep a toy on you at all times and redirect her onto it. When all else fails, there's no shame in taking a break from her. I'd set up an ex pen and step over it and leave her whenever she bites you and not her toy.
Thanks, that link is really helpful. I had a Yorkie for 16 years and she was nowhere near this bitey, so it's been a bit of a shock! She was nowhere near as good at settling down at night and spending short periods alone though, so swings and roundabouts hey.

I definitely don't want to spank her or use any physical punishment, I believe firmly in positive reinforcement and was asking if there was perhaps anything I'm missing or could do better!

I suppose I will just have to keep at it and do it a few times a day every day? I've started to teach her "drop it" and "leave it" and I've introduced a clicker, so hopefully those things will help?
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My BF has achieved the same with two Rottweilers, and my mutt, and never used any physical correction at all, let alone the over-the-top method of grabbing a muzzle, saying no, and pushing the dog to the ground. Did you even take a moment to try less violent ways of teaching the dog to play gently?
I am owned by 2 Rottweiler boys and I can wrestle both of them, sat down on the floor without getting hurt at all (besides a squashed toe) and all it takes for me to stop them, even at the height of the play, is clicking my tongue.

And by no means am I a seasoned dog owner.
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I definitely don't want to spank her or use any physical punishment, I believe firmly in positive reinforcement and was asking if there was perhaps anything I'm missing or could do better!

I suppose I will just have to keep at it and do it a few times a day every day? I've started to teach her "drop it" and "leave it" and I've introduced a clicker, so hopefully those things will help?
This forum is here for you when things are tough! I had the puppy blues with my first puppy but we all made it out of there, happy so you are doing good!

Consistency is the key along with patience.

Every dog is different too. Shadow only took about a month and a half to stop nipping altogether but Brutus would nip in excitement until he was 8 months old! Don't mean to scare you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesm2OpE_2c - how to capture calmness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvPaqMZyo8 - positive interrupter noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77--cCHPyU - how to stop puppy from biting

These are all videos from Kikopup. Between her and this forum, there is NOTHING you can't do!
The positive interrupter noise saved my sanity when Shadow went through his bratty stage and I still use it today, without even realizing it.

Just remember, a tired puppy is a good puppy! Just be mindful of how much physical exercise you give while so young.
Short training sessions will help tire your puppy mentally and you can also teach the "find it" game. That's where you hide treats in the house and she has to look for it.
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Consistency is the key along with patience.
This. 100%.

It takes time- some take longer than others.

Consistency, with all training but especially this, is crucial. Even if your pup bites and you think, 'meh, that didn't really hurt"- redirect. Every single time.

Best of luck and I'm sure you and your pup will be just fine
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This forum is here for you when things are tough! I had the puppy blues with my first puppy but we all made it out of there, happy so you are doing good!

Consistency is the key along with patience.

Every dog is different too. Shadow only took about a month and a half to stop nipping altogether but Brutus would nip in excitement until he was 8 months old! Don't mean to scare you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesm2OpE_2c - how to capture calmness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvPaqMZyo8 - positive interrupter noise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77--cCHPyU - how to stop puppy from biting

These are all videos from Kikopup. Between her and this forum, there is NOTHING you can't do!
The positive interrupter noise saved my sanity when Shadow went through his bratty stage and I still use it today, without even realizing it.

Just remember, a tired puppy is a good puppy! Just be mindful of how much physical exercise you give while so young.
Short training sessions will help tire your puppy mentally and you can also teach the "find it" game. That's where you hide treats in the house and she has to look for it.
I just wanted to say thanks so much! I put Kikopup's video on calmness into action yesterday, randomly throwing her treats whenever she was chilling out on her blanket or with a toy, and it worked! She sat quietly; eagerly looking at me for the next treat, but quietly nontheless!

The bite inhibition training seems to be working now in terms of when I put my hands around her face or go to stroke her, which is fab, but she's still very bitey when excited and runs at me to bite my legs or even face, grr... but I've discovered that putting her in the kitchen for about 10 minutes to calm down, no matter how much she cries is really helpful. She comes out looking sulky and dejected, but a lot calmer! I hadn't wanted to do that initially as the kitchen is her confinement area at night and when we're out during the day, and I didn't want her to have negative or punishment connotations with it... but there's no other area of the house puppy proofed enough to leave her safely in there. I do it calmly and without anger so hopefully she won't become fearful of it.

Her new favourite thing is to chew the couch or skirting board for attention whenever I'm doing something else, which is REALLY annoying, but a dog trainer I asked about this gave me a great tip - whenever she does it, get up and leave the room, then when she follows redirect to a toy and praise her loads. This has worked so far this morning as she's only done it twice as opposed to doing it every 5 mins!!

Thanks for all your support guys. She's still a wilful little thing and very bitey, but I'm starting to see a tiny glimmer of progress
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The advice in this forum is not accurate, nor is it going to help you. Please consult a professional trainer. A dog this age need a to have already been in puppy school, Anyway and the problem could have already been fixed or at least greatly diminished. Truely, it will be an incredibly worth while 100-200 dollars. If this is a lot of money for you, make sure you find a very good trainers who uses positive methods to get the most out of a class.
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