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Old 12-30-2014, 09:48 PM
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Red light/green light game: crate and house training?

Hopefully a quick question -- I am planning to crate train my pup (11 weeks old) for while I'm at work and coming home for potty/training breaks. I am aware of the red light/green light game to encourage calmness when approaching a crate to let the puppy out.. BUT what about when the pup has been crated for 4-5 hours? Should I play this game when I get home? Or should I rush to let pup out the door to go potty as soon as I get home?
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It is never a good idea to let the pup out when he is barking so you will have to make a judgment here. Excitement is one thing but barking and crying are another.
If he thinks you are letting him out because he is barking and crying you have a problem.
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4-5 hours is too long for a puppy to go without contact. think about how useful you were at taking care of yourself at that age, and it makes a lot more sense!

Either way, crate training needs to be a gradual process. You may want to keep a room puppy proofed or with an x-pen until the puppy is actually crate trained-forcing them into a crate and not coming back for 4 hours would be terrifying. It needs to be much more gradual than that.
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With a young puppy if you play red light, green light, after he's been crated for 4 or 5 hours, you are likely to have a puddle before you have a quiet puppy.

Red light, green light, can take a bit of time to play. To give you a general idea, my terrier mix knew that he was supposed to sit quietly for his meals, but every now and then he'd get really excited and forget so I'd play red light, green light. A couple times I played that game for upwards of 20 minutes before he was finally quiet the entire 5 seconds it took me to bend over and put the bowl down. He'd make a noise and I'd start a 5 second countdown before starting to bend over, he'd jump and make noise and I'd stand back up, start another 5 second count down..... every noise and the countdown was restarted. You can't expect a puppy, REALLY NEEDING TO PEE, to go through that.
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4-5 hours is too long for a puppy to go without contact. think about how useful you were at taking care of yourself at that age, and it makes a lot more sense!

Either way, crate training needs to be a gradual process. You may want to keep a room puppy proofed or with an x-pen until the puppy is actually crate trained-forcing them into a crate and not coming back for 4 hours would be terrifying. It needs to be much more gradual than that.
I have another thread regarding keeping puppy while I'm at work - the general consensus was that puppy could do a work day split into two in a crate... is that not correct? I have crates and an ex-pen, and am willing to do the ex-pen if it's the best decision for him!!
I have a week off of work to get puppy acquainted with his new home...

Gah now I'm worried again!
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I have another thread regarding keeping puppy while I'm at work - the general consensus was that puppy could do a work day split into two in a crate... is that not correct? I have crates and an ex-pen, and am willing to do the ex-pen if it's the best decision for him!!
I have a week off of work to get puppy acquainted with his new home...

Gah now I'm worried again!

How old will the puppy be when you take him home?

A general rule of thumb is that a puppy can hold it 1 hour per month of life + 1 hour. So a 3 month old puppy should be able to hold it's bladder for 4 hours. If he's that age you could probably get away with just the crate, but it might be best safest to wail till he's 4 months.
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He will be 11 weeks old when I go back to work. I worry that using an ex-pen (where he will obviously pee) will be a huge setback in potty training?
I want nothing but the best for the puppy, and will do whatever is best for him.
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I'd give the crate a try for a couple of days. If he's soiling it then use the ex-pen for a couple of weeks before trying the crate again.

Since he's so young you may want to work on the red light, green light, quiet training at other times during the day and just get him out of the crate when you get home even if he is fussing. When he's older, and can hold it longer, that'd be the time to work on being quiet in the crate when you get home.
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I have another thread regarding keeping puppy while I'm at work - the general consensus was that puppy could do a work day split into two in a crate... is that not correct? I have crates and an ex-pen, and am willing to do the ex-pen if it's the best decision for him!!
I have a week off of work to get puppy acquainted with his new home...

Gah now I'm worried again!
I think it's too long to be in a crate if you haven't already worked on crate training-it's very confining for no training. An x-pen or puppy proofed room should be okay! I didn't mean to worry you more! We don't always control our work schedules. You'll just need to adjust to him-if he's crying you're going to make adjustments and maybe have someone check on him a bit more, and if he's totally fine you can make adjustments the other way so you don't have to take as long of a lunch break.

This also lets you use puppy pads, so he doesn't learn to pee in his crate How long can he hold it now with you home? Is he used to being attached to your hip, or does he wander/sleep on his own without you nearby sometimes? These are good things to practice and reward right now
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Wait...there is a RED light?...Pax only has green light and GREEN GREEN GREEN LICK LICK green GREEN GREEEEEEEEEEN LICK LICK GREEEEEEEEEEEEn light!
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