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This is a discussion on Puppy Help Needed within the Puppy Help forums, part of the Dog Training and Behavior category; I should have posted this before...Actually what you said about reputable breeders is false. It's actually only been within the last century that the "pure-bred" ...

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Old 01-24-2013, 09:15 PM
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I should have posted this before...Actually what you said about reputable breeders is false. It's actually only been within the last century that the "pure-bred" dogs that many of us can recognize have been classified as "pure breeds", therefore technically they're pre mutts I guess. Many of these dogs come from "mutt" heritage.
That doesn't matter....my comment is not false it is the harsh reality. Anybody who backyard breeds dogs pure bred or not has no morals.

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The CKCS is an example. Originally they were registered as King Charles Spaniels with long snouts (similar to what we now as the CKCS), but after the time of King Charles, pugs were bred in to create a short snout. It was in the 1940's that a man (can't remember name right now) offered a prize to breed King Charles spaniels with long snouts (like the originals), when one was bred, its line was continued and so became the Cavalier King Charles spaniel.
These dogs are so messed up, you don't really want to get me going there lol

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Another example is the typical lab, which originated from the St. Johns water dog. Plus farmers in my area,and surrounding areas, are always working at purposefully breeding different "breeds" into a working dog to get a perfect working dog. Some people just like to make up stupid/cutesy names because that's just what humans like to do. How else would any breed get a name, other than dog?
The dog you are looking for does not serve a working purpose...so completely different.

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I agree that some people are irresponsible, and there are loads of dogs out there that need homes and in the perfect world NO ONE would buy a dog, pure bred or otherwise. But this isn't a perfect world, and some people have criteria to meet before bringing a pooch in to their homes. Example: I have no issues with pit bulls, but I wouldn't own one because it is a stronger/willing breed than say a poodle. Not saying that a poodle couldn't bit, but I don't think I'm a fit to raise a pittie; good on the people who do though. Some people don't care if they're incapable of handling a more difficult breed, and these dogs usually wind up attacking.
So you're not willing to help solve the problem of unnecessary euthanasia because others dont? Thats a cop out...

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I'm not one to nag at people who responsibly breed a "mutt" for other purposes (to improve a dogs breed for allergy suffers, working, enhancing stock, changing the look/disease possibilities of a certain breed); a good example of this are lurchers in Ireland. Some of these people are just as reliable as "reputable breeders" and have their breeding pairs from "pure bred" lines that have been tested. BYB's I find are usually people who think their dog is cute, so why not breed it;
Any-poo dogs are exactly what your last says....as for lurchers...I am not okay with those either because there are no tests from what I read....

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The argument that a litter of puppies from a "reputable pure bred" breeder will have the same temperaments throughout is kinda none-sense. My thought is that if you bring a dog into your life, not matter the background, its still a toss up as to what your going to get. I've known pure GSDs who've been registered/papered, and have all xrays, testing, pre-testing, etc. done who still have diseases that cause seizures, hip dysplasia, or have behavioural problems due to birth defects. It's one of the reasons my Aunt, in Northern AB, decided to become a breeder for working/police GSDs. She wanted to better the breed, and help with issues associated. She has been doing this for 30 years and my cousin has begun to help out. My aunt has even agreed that it could be possible to breed in other shepherds to help elevate some issues in the current breeding stocks (world-wide), but she knows not to dare say it out loud because breed-snobs (her word, not mine) refuse to acknowledge that dog breeds, belonging to societies never existed 200 years ago; but that dogs were just products of selective breeding for purposes/disease control; we humans just decided it would be fun to name them. Just for some thought, I had to speak my mind.
I never said puppies from reputable breeders would be perfect so I am assuming you are not responding to me with this entire paragraph.

In the end...you choosing to support a BYB is not something that will sit lightly here. I suggest you find your poo mix in a shelter. As for "there is nothing but chihuahuas and pit bulls in the shelters"...I have heard that SO many times and its not true. I have NEVER been to a shelter where they only have chihuahuas and pit bulls. People just choose to look one time and make an excuse to purchase from a BYB...just my 0.02
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I wasnít trying to start anything, nor veer off topic, I was just trying to make the point that not all mutts are products of irresponsible breeding, that sometimes good decent people purposefully breed dogs for a specific reason, and I definitely wasnít saying that BYBís are awesome nor should people buy from them. I lost a friend because she wouldnít listen to me when I told her it was a crappy idea to breed her dog for money. I was trying to say that not all mutts that are bred are bred irresponsibly; some actually serve a purpose like reducing human allergies or adding new genetic material to the breeds DNA. Itís a new thought.

I also noticed you didnít read that Iím now currently volunteering at a rescue and that Iím searching for a shelter dog. After many thought provoking posts from zoorun and megs87, Iím doing my best to make the right choice. Volunteering for the shelter has helped, I still want a small 25 lb dog though that doesnít shed a lot (itís a criteria that isnít going to change) but I am looking at rescues all over Alberta.

My shelters do, however, ONLY have collie/lab/rottie mixes and THAT is a fact. I get that youíre pro rescue, but sometimes mutts do meet a purpose; which is why I had to comment to your post that all breeders of mutts are irresponsible. Who knows 20 years from now these hybrid dogs may become their own recognized breed (lord knows Iíll get slack for that comment).

A huge thanks to those that have helped me make up my list for stuff to purchase before bringing home a new pup/dog, youíve been a huge help and I will probably be posting questions in this forum sometime in the coming months.

Just a final thought before leaving this thread, maybe if we allow people who breed mutt dogs that have the ability to calm dander allergies/reduce some diseases/ or even improve on a breed, into the fold of ďreputableĒ breeders then maybe there would be fewer BYBís/Puppy mills in the world because obviously thereís a demand for mutts; why not try to regulate the people breeding instead getting mad at the people who are just trying to match themselves with a dog? Also maybe it should be suggested that a person pass a licensing exam in order to own one.

Thanks again to all those that answered my question with out saying Iím supporting a BYB (which Iím not, since Iím not getting a dog from her anymore).
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Seriously? Breeding mutts is 100% irresponsible....there are poodles out there and bichons or whatever other little dog meant to be good for people with allergies...There is no such thing as a responsible breeder of mutts when so many die each day in the shelters....there is no reason to breed something that doesnt ALREADY exist as a pure bred because we don't need more breeds because we DONT need more unnecessary deaths.

As for your last statement...youre welcome for helping you realize she is a BYB...I am done with this thread as my mind is not going to be changed.
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Odie- https://www.calgaryhumane.ca/adopt - 2nd page

Jack- Cochrane & Area Humane Society - Adopt

What do you think KayWilson?
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:18 PM
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Thank you again Zoorun! Unfortunately mom isn't quite ready to open her heart yet, and I don't want to force her because it would seem she's grieving harder than I did. She says we can start looking in a few months though. I've been working at a shelter/rescue for the last week or so to keep myself busy and around dogs, and it's been awesome to help a few get adopted . Both dogs you posted are beautiful, I even noticed Jack has since been adopted , but my mom's not ready to give her heart out yet, I on the other hand would probably apply for odie right away (he's so cute), but I continue to wait for her since we roomie together.

Thanks again, I'll have to message you when we're both ready
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I just have to mention, in a short (for me lol) response, because I don't want to come off as confrontational, and I just want to continue to help you find your perfect dog from a legitimate place.

Back in the 90s, or even the early 2000s before this "designer breed" fad came into play, people had allergies to dogs. We had then, and still have to this day, breeds that are "hypoallergenic". No breed is truly hypoallergenic though, but if you're allergic to dogs and want to bring one into your life, there have always been options.
There was absolutely no need to try to start creating these "breeds", and there is no need for them today. Pawz is right about the fact that we can surely do without ANY of these breeds, and they never needed to be bred in the first place. There is no designer dog breeder that is breeding for the betterment of either breeds, for a better working dog, yes, but that is to better the new unknown breed, not to better either of the dam or sire's lines.

And to think of how many amazing dogs are being euthanized every single day because of the self-satisfying mantra of "It's not a perfect world, not every one can rescue a dog", is so, so sad. I'm not saying that anyone who does not rescue a dog is a bad person. But when someone has the options, education, support and now experience at a rescue as you do, I'm just not sure as to why you would not have changed your views on designer dog breeders just a little bit. I don't want to insult you in any way, and I wouldn't expect you to change your beliefs on something in an instant because of an internet forum, but if you are working at a rescue, how have you not come to realize what is the problem, and what is the solution?

I don't want to negate that you made the awesome decision to not purchase a puppy from that woman, I thank you so much for that!
And I don't want you to feel attacked or anything drastic like that, I just want you to take the rose-colored glasses you may have on right now, off, and see where someone like Pawz is coming from, as she has seen things you would never want to, things that would possibly change your mind completely.
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If a breeder is breeding a mutt, which a Cavapoo is (Any dog that is mixed with two separate breeds is a mutt) then they are not a responsible breeder, and it doesn't matter if both their parents are registered..They are still NOT a breed of dog.

There are plenty of mixed breed puppies in shelters who need homes, why buy from someone who is irresponsible?
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I had just read page one, my apologies. Glad you are going with a rescue dog .

I foster for rescues, and I would NEVER purchase a puppy from a breeder, even if they are a true reputable one because there are too many who need homes that are at risk of being euthanized.
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