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Old 02-27-2013, 07:23 PM
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Jenn, what you got from your doc and/or trainer was actually pretty bad advice. I understand you are just trying to help for all the right reasons. Modern training and behavior study has demonstrated that the whole "alpha" thing actually tends to lead to just he problems you experienced, and that is a dog who bites.

No one is trying to gang up on you. We are just trying our best to help people avoid the problems that the "alpha/dominance" system leads to. Although this stuff is on TV, its actually pretty bad training for many, even most dogs.

I'm glad your current dog is doing just fine.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:41 PM
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Just throwing my opinion out there. I have seen a dog behavior specialist and my dog did the same thing when he was a pup. It all boiled down to him trying to be dominant/alpha. Because I didn't do this he ended up being violent towards other animals and started to bite me and make me bleed. Doc said I didn't handle it correctly when he was little and which led to his dominace. It got to the point I couldn't even let him lay on my lap without him growling at me when I wanted him to move. My dog that I have now is perfect. I learned from my mistakes. I definitely agree with rewards and lots of love when he does good. I wish u lots of luck!

I'd guarantee that your old dog was not trying to be dominant/alpha, I fell into that thinking with my dog at one point and I was wrong about it.

If he was acting violent toward other animals 10 to 1 he was fearful of them and trying to cause them to get away from him.

If he was biting you it'd be helpful to know what you were doing when he bit you, it could be for a bunch of reasons.

If he was growling at you when on your lap he was probably resource guarding, it's usual insecure dogs that do that, dogs that are afraid that what they have is going to be taken away.

In none of those cases is the dog trying to be dominant.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:55 PM
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About a month ago we adopted a now 16 week old black lab mix from the shelter. He has been alot of work, but my son and I love him to death!! Recently, when we try to pick him up from the bed to put him in his crate to go to sleep or put him down on the floor from the sofa, he growls, especially at my 14 year old son. Last night, the growl turned into a bark so I am worried it will get worse. I am not sure what to do. I have looked all over the internet, but I could not find an answer. If anyone can help us, we would greatly appreciate it.

I agree that he could be starting to resource guard the sofa. The easiest way to prevent that is to not let him on the sofa.

If y'all really love him on the sofa start working on teaching him off. Use a lure like a yummy treat or a fun toy to lure him, or use a leash to guide him.

You can also start working on teaching him a kennel word (whatever word you want to use for it) so that you can tell him to go into the kennel without having to force him into it. Start teaching him when you don't have to lock him into it and make it the best place in the world to be.

As Zoe wrote, never punish him for growling, it's his way of letting you know that he's upset about what's happening, instead try and figure out why he's upset and work to desensitize him to it and make whatever it is the source of good things happening. So if he doesn't like being picked up you can put a treat in your fist and let him smell and lick your fist while you pick him up a couple inches then put him down and give him the treat, work on that and work on lifting him higher and higher, that way he starts to associate being picked up with something good happening.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:56 PM
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Jenn -

It's ok DF posters want current scientific based theories of dog training on the site...every day is a learning experience for me....(see how many posts I have)
And yes, for the most part, positive reinforcement which is evidence based is the prevailing philosophy...
We have two catahoulas, one is such a resource guarder, lol. The other, totally clueless, Love them both.

If you can read up on the resources provided it might shed more light on the subject, it really is fascinating information!

We don't want you to not post on DF...I am sure we will enjoy your posts, pics of your pup/s would be great!!! Looking forward to seeing you again.
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Wow, alot of responses since I last logged in!!! I appreciate and value as much input as I can get. For the most part, Buddie is a great dog. The housebreaking went relatively smoothly, he seems to pick up on training quickly, and does the normal puppy stuff . He started obiedience training two weeks ago and has progressed well. So far he knows the hand command for sit and is in the process of learning down. We are still working on the come command. He does better in the house (of course, no distractions) and I am anxiously awaiting the day when I can take him out of the house. He gets his last shots on Sunday so in about two weeks I won't feel "chained" to the house. I am trying to socialize him as much as possible by having my son's friends come over and he has "met" other puppies in his class.

I have been using as much positive reinforcement to train him as I can. But when the growling started, I became concerned. Last night, I did not let him on the sofa or bed, and hence, no growling. He doesn't mind being picked up any other time, just when on the sofa and bed, and it is usually directed at my son. It could be the way he is picking him up, and I have been telling him to be gentle and stay calm. When the growling first started, my son (14 yo) thought it was funny so he didn't tense up because once he picked him up, Buddie made a moaning kind of sound and it never went further than that.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I just want to do what's best for Buddie
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Sounds like you are doing a good job with this pup.

He's going to be a big dog one day, too big to pick up. Clearly he does not like it anyway, so perhaps its time to find other ways to get him where you want him to be.

Keeping him off the sofa is a good idea. It sounds like he may be Resource Guarding the place he is sleeping. He's tired at the end of the day and just wants to be left alone. Perhaps accidentally your son hurt him a bit one time picking him up. All these things can lead to the puppy giving his clear doggy communication of "don't pick me up." In any case, what ever the combination of reasons for the growling, I think you are getting the message that the best thing is to handle this without making a conflict out of it. Train a positive way to get him off the couch. Don't let him up in the first place and so forth.

Good luck and do keep us updated!
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