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Old 10-29-2013, 12:51 PM
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Puppy broke husband's nose!

Just got a text from my husband...when he went home to check on Theo, Theo jumped too close to his face and smashed into his nose, which is now broken. Help! We've been training Theo not to jump by saying "off" and "down" but clearly we need to do something more. I feel so terrible for my husband, this is the second time a puppy has broken his nose by jumping at his face.
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Ouch! Sorry about your husband's nose.

You said you've been trying to train by using "off" and "down." Does your dog know what those words mean? Have you trained him to understand that those words have a specific behavior associated with them?

What else have you tried? The standard stop jumping strategy is to completely ignore the dog when he jumps (e.g., turn you back, walk away, step over a gate). It takes time to work and everyone must be consistent (easier said than done ). I'm dealing with a similar issue - almost everyone we meet says, "I don't mind if she jumps," and then proceeds to fawn all over her. <sigh>

Kikopup has an interesting strategy to teach an incompatible behavior:
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Thanks for the suggestions! I have watched the KP video, and have used the techniques in there. When Theo jumps on me, I get up, (if sitting), or turn away (if standing), and then reward him either with praise or kibble when he stops. He seems to understand what OFF! means regarding the table and the counter, but I don't know about people.

I just posted about this earlier, but...I never realized how much having a puppy would affect my marriage. I use the strategies listed above, but my husband doesn't. He yells OFF! and then pushes Theo down or away....and clearly, it's not working out so well for him. I have tried to get my husband to watch the KP video and try different strategies, but he is stuck in his ways of "what has worked best with my other dogs"....and is attempting to fit our puppy into a training method that isn't working for Theo. I hope he will listen now.

Other than the KP video, is there anything else we can try? We try to get him to sit before he attempts to jump on the couch, with mixed results.
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Me thinks that Hubby should ignore theo when he comes in until Theo calms down, then greet, and for heavens sake have him not scream Off or Down to him.
My boy Harley use to jump on me and put me on my back until I started using this very wise method.
Be consistent, both do this.
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Thanks for the suggestions! I have watched the KP video, and have used the techniques in there. When Theo jumps on me, I get up, (if sitting), or turn away (if standing), and then reward him either with praise or kibble when he stops. He seems to understand what OFF! means regarding the table and the counter, but I don't know about people.

I just posted about this earlier, but...I never realized how much having a puppy would affect my marriage. I use the strategies listed above, but my husband doesn't. He yells OFF! and then pushes Theo down or away....and clearly, it's not working out so well for him. I have tried to get my husband to watch the KP video and try different strategies, but he is stuck in his ways of "what has worked best with my other dogs"....and is attempting to fit our puppy into a training method that isn't working for Theo. I hope he will listen now.

Other than the KP video, is there anything else we can try? We try to get him to sit before he attempts to jump on the couch, with mixed results.
I understand about different training methods and marital strain! My husband insists Katie knows what "no" means (I'll never admit, but she does seem to have some understanding of it as "try something else") and is generally more physical with her (not harsh, but more like moving her instead of asking her to move). And then there are the the discussions about who's going to take her out / how to arrange our schedules / when to go to the vet / etc. I've tried to get him to read some basic training books and articles, but it's futile. He's going to do whatever he wants. <sigh>

I hope the broken nose acts as a wake up call to your husband. Does Theo continue to jump on you? Perhaps you can demonstrate progress with your methods.

I'm not sure about other techniques to stop jumping. Generally, dogs jump to get your attention, so anything you do in response - even scolding or saying no - is rewarding. Stopping the behavior is as much about not rewarding the jumping as it is about training the dog to do something else.

You could train Theo to do something else (lie down, go to a mat, sit) when greeting people, but that will take time. You can also really work with his sit or down so that he can do it almost automatically in a variety of situations with multiple distractions (with you and your husband arriving home as the ultimate distraction). Some impulse control or calming practice might help.

Here are some other youtube channels I like:
Donna Hill
Zak George
Tab289
Domesticated Manners
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I hope the broken nose acts as a wake up call to your husband. Does Theo continue to jump on you? Perhaps you can demonstrate progress with your methods.



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He does jump on me, but I use the KP method of stepping to the side and ignoring until he has all four on the floor. Theo is most likely to jump when being let out of the crate in the morning or when we come home from work, and he jumps when one person comes downstairs or inside that he hasn't seen in 5 minutes. Just kidding...10 minutes.

He also jumps when he spies/smells treats or food he wants on the counter, however, he is pretty good with OFF! when it comes to counter surfing.

We're working on "It's Yer Choice" and he's doing pretty well. My husband just tries to reason with him too much and Theo clearly doesn't get it. Like, Theo jumps on my husband's lap when he's sitting, to which my husband says NO! and pushes him off, and then Theo does it again, and my husband keeps trying to make him calm down by petting him (which of course, gets Theo more riled up because he's already riled up), and my husband says "Ok Theo, let's calm down". UGH. I'm going to work on calming signals with Theo and hope that my husband will change his own behavior when he realizes getting frustrated isn't getting him what he wants.
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Ouch! Hope your husband heals quickly!

You're completely correct that pushing Theo away and petting him can excite him even more. That's the way a lot of dogs are. Push 'em away and they come right back at you harder!

I actually intentionally do stuff like that during play with a few of my dogs though it's with purpose...
For example I get them super excited tugging then ask then to drop it and offer a calm behavior in order to tug again. Helps teach some really great impulse control.

Something that many people seem to unintentionally do when it comes to jumping is to teach a behavior chain. The dog jumps, the person tells the dog "off", the dog gets off (four on the floor) and then the person rewards. Great at the beginning!

BUT if that's all they ever do, what happens is that the dog learns that to jump up so that he can get off and be rewarded. Does that make sense? I'm not always good at explaining this!

So to prevent this from happening you can do multiple things.
-After getting "off" continue to reward low to the ground/on the ground for 4 on the floor. If the dog jumps up again, I often tell people to just walk away. Game over. The dog gets one "off" that's it. But as long as the dog keeps 4 on the floor they keep getting rewarded.
If you had to walk away you can approach a minute or so later and try again. If Theo jumps then leave. If he keeps 4 on the floor treats rain down. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
-Once "off" has been taught, start asking for several seconds of 4 on the floor before rewarding. That way you're no longer rewarding the action of getting off, but rather duration or maintaining 4 on the floor. I personally would continue to dish out rewards (spacing them out over time) for maintaining 4 on the floor.
-Be prepared and capture 4 on the floor. Any time Theo approaches you and keeps 4 on the floor treats rain down on him. I know that he's likely wired when you come home so it's unlikely you'll capture 4 on the floor in that situation for now. But there's likely several opportunities throughout the day you can capture a calm "hey watcha up to mom/dad?" moment. Reward those moments heavily!
-Teach a rock solid "sit" or "down". Ask for it as Theo is approaching and has not yet reached you. Reward heavily for it! There's a video IIRC in the recall sticky thread you could perhaps tweak once you have a pretty solid sit... It's shows a game where you call the dog and as it runs towards you, you toss a treat through your legs sending the dog through and behind you. Then after several reps you don't toss a treat but instead ask for a "front"/"sit". I'm thinking that might be a good game to play. Not only will it have positive results on your recall and impulse control, but will also teach Theo to run to you and sit in front of you even when excited. If you were to play it enough and in different locations/situations it might take care of his crazy "OMG! YOU'RE HOME!" moments.
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Thanks for the suggestion about getting him to sit in these circumstances! I'll be trying later tonight. I know my timing with this is not good, so I'll work harder, and hopefully, no more broken noses. Although, if my husband chooses to put his face by Theo's, there are not many guarantees with that one...

this is the second puppy he's had who has broken his nose by jumping up into his face! maybe he'll learn his lesson this time.
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