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Old 05-07-2013, 11:58 AM
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Our new addition - I need so much help as it's our first puppy

Hello folks,
Until now, I've not had much contact with wise dog owners - but plenty of people giving advice. Maybe this forum has better information for me.
Anyway, We've owned 2 small breed male dogs for the last 3 years and they've thrived but as we're moving to a much bigger property, we decided that we need to upgrade our pack a little.

Our original 2 dogs are now 4 years old, neutered and about Jack Russel sized, maybe a bit bigger. They're of the same litter but with completely different personalities, get along and enjoy romping round the garden and walks. Very alert but slightly scared and even now, we have some accidents at night round the house especially when it's raining outside.

We took the SPCA's advice and got a larger dog, female (soon to be spayed) so as not to have too much maleness around. I prefer female dogs as toilet training is easier. She's a rescue pup that we got at 6 weeks (1 week ago) and she's doing great - toilet trained - except the odd night-time accident. As far as we know, she's a labrador x ridgeback and was 3.2kg at just under 7 weeks. We're feeding her 50g of Kibble 3x / day, increasing every 3rd day by 5g at the moment.

The first few nights went OK. Normally my dogs sleep outside so it's a bit of a treat for them to sleep on a pillow in the kitchen. The first few days, there was a lot of wimpering outside and frequent visits inside but we got through that. She now spends 4h at a time with the other 2 dogs outside, giving me a chance to do some work.

The other dogs won't let her in the kennel yet - so I need some advice there. They're starting to play with her but we're heading into winter and I don't think I should be getting another kennel for a while. She does sleep on a pillow outside during the day and Tramp, the smaller male seems to enjoy playing with her a lot so maybe the dynamic will change in time. Simba is more serious and dominant and tolerates her but luckily, there is only some growling and spineless snapping and no damage is actually happening in their scuffles.

The big problem at the moment is that it seems that the older dogs are taking advantage of things and may be producing the odd night-time poo - which they haven't done for a while. I can't be certain however without doing some investigative work... Who does that?

Anyway, pointers would be welcome. I can't see any stickys in this forum so hopefully you'll all point me in the right direction.

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PS I'm in South Africa so we're going into winter here where the daily highs are around 20C and night-time drops to 8C
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:59 PM
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I would not leave a 7 week old pup alone with the 2 older dogs with one of them acting aggressive. It's an accident waiting for a place to happen. Some dogs do not like puppies and it sounds like Simba is one of them, please keep them separate unless you are their to supervise.

You're going to have to solve the potty question, if it's the pup that's doing it she'll start to form a habit of it and grow into an adult who will mess inside. Potty is all about habit, a dog goes where it's in the habit of going so a dog that is trained to potty outside gets into that habit and that's where it goes, one that's never been housetrained will potty where ever it wants and that could just as easily be in your house as outside. Check out this link for housetraining tips https://www.dogforum.com/housebreakin...-how-tos-2135/

I'd start clicker training her, just keep the sessions short since right now she has a very short attention span, as she grows older you can lengthen the sessions. Here's a link for training tips https://www.dogforum.com/dog-training...rticles-11426/
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Simba's not aggressive! Just a grumpy so and so (He's lovely really). It's just his normal dominant self. He growls at his brother a lot but they get on fine. His signals are "leave me alone". On the odd occasion that he decides on action, a quick run up to the puppy just puts her in her place without biting or anything.

For 3 days, even the stand-offish behaviour has vanished - just grumps.

Thanks for the clicker training vid, when I get back from work, I'll take a good look.

Last night was a bit of a nightmare. All 3 dogs pooped in the kitchen - they're learning it from the puppy I swear! I got up at we put them to bed at 22:00 and by 4:30, the mess was there! What can I do about that?

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even if your dog is fine, puppies that age shouldn't be left alone with older dogs. I know a guy who had a golden retreiver, got a puppy, got home from work and the golden had eaten most of the puppy. He was extremely distraught and if I remember correctly he had the golden put down. For the puppies safety and to prevent your other dogs from temptation, I'd crate the puppy away from them when you can't supervise. Really crating all the dogs separately would solve the pooping issue, as well.
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OK. Puppy is growing and fitting in perfectly now. It sounds like the puppy's along for a long time but it's just a little bit more than a nap. There's usually someone in the house at that time too. She's as tall as the other 2 now and in the last day it's been 100% play with the other dogs in terms of interaction - but there's a little grumpiness when sharing the same cushion (to be expected).

I've looked at the clicker videos and they're pretty good - lots to try there but how do I get my otherwise house-trained dogs to go outside in the morning as opposed to inside during the night?!???!!!! I can't catch them in the act and I'd like them to be inside dogs.

Crates are difficult - nobody sells them here but it still doesn't prevent the pooping - unless I'm missing something.
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As a rule, most dogs do not like to poop where they are sleeping so usually a crate will make them hold it. If crates are not available, I would be inclined to get a wire pen or block off a safe room (like a laundry or bathroom) and keep the puppy confined there at night. Sometimes a smaller area will work as good as a crate. The same would work for your other two dogs if they are having free run of the house right now.
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I guess that explains the earlier behaviour - puppy yapping after having pooped next to his bed.
We're doing something similar - enclosing the dogs in a fairly small kitchen - it's a small room with no ground-level wiring.
Well, I've been trying calming behaviour on the dogs - yawns, licking chops, slow blinks to get them to settle and suddenly my dogs think I'm even more amazing! I find that this is effective at controlling their behaviour to a degree but there are still things that I need to control. As soon as the dogs hear the slightest noise outside, they bark to see who's at the door. I'm not sure if I want to keep this behaviour as after all they are watchdogs but I guess they'll wake up the puppy.
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First of all, some good news: Enclosing the puppy in a smaller space means that she wakes us up before doing her business. We're enclosing a kennel size space in the kitchen now with very good results. Her accidents now surprise us as much as they do her!
I kept tramp in with her the first night and both were well behaved. My older dogs tend to want to do their business in the house especially if it's raining outside and probably won't cope with crating too well during the day but I'll try at night. Maybe they haven't had enough positive reinforcement.
I must say that you guys opened my eyes to a few things here (which was what I was expecting) so a big thumbs up to you!
She's now a very social non-car sick puppy about to be let loose in a HUGE garden next month.
Biting furniture is going to be my next hurdle so clicker training it is I think!
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