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Old 11-26-2012, 12:42 AM
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Forgot to add--with the crate training, we always tried to make the crate something fun. Never use it as a time out or punishment type of area. We'd always give Penny a treat when we put her in her crate and say a command word. Now she goes in willingly, and it's her preferred place to sleep. We keep a couple chew toys in there as well, so she can still have independent play/chew time (indestructible tested ones, like the Bumi B).
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I've got a 13 week old large breed pup and I'm waking up twice a night to let him out to go to the bathroom. Puppies are like babies. I swear with our St Bernard for the first year of his life he would cry at 3am to go to the bathroom. You'll be getting up way more often than that because of how young your dog is.

Also, first dog ever and you got that breed. Crazy! I hope you are a high energy woman because that is a high energy dog! Prepare to have your house chewed up!

I pick up water an hour before bed. We don't free feed our pup because we have so many other dogs but I think free feeding a pup is ideal. When they get older you watch their diet better but at the growing stage they may need more food one day than another. Just like babies. (This should totally work as a birth control for you!)

Whining is normal. Ours whines and we have 4 other dogs for it to keep itself occupied with. At night I just ignore him and he stops but if he didn't stop I'm a wuss and I'd sleep with him for awhile until he were less insecure. Your pup is awful young and just needing the physical closeness of you. Sleep with it.
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puppies are hard work as i'm finding out everyday but my puppy is coming up 20 weeks very good adivce from everyone i wish you all the
best of luck with you and your puppy
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@Nylanat
Oh gosh, sorry for the late reply. I was not getting email notifications about replies from this site :/
Thanks so much for the kind words. I'm starting to get a routine with him, though, I sort of wish I would have gotten a less active breed. Everyday it seems he gets more and more active and rambunctious. Like it started off 10 mins of outside play and 20 mins indoor play, with random attention throughout the day. Now it's like he needs 30+ mins outside and hours of indoor play to tire him out. Right now I can do it because I don't have a full job but I don't know about next year. Don't worry though, if I try to raise him to be a good dog and he still turns out to be a 'bad' dog, I will keep him. I would never throw an older dog in the pound because I know how little interest there are in adopting them.

Yeah, I can see now the breeder wasn't to keen on her puppies. She was suppose to send me papers through mai but I still haven't received them. Oh and the puppy went to the vet the other day. They did some tests and came to the conclusion it was probably just stress. The vet did give him some antibiotics which he is taking atm.
Very grateful for your response.

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I took him to the vet, they did test for
parvo.
It worried me when they did the test, because he had to be quarantined when I brought him in. Poor puppy was frightened. The vet said he was fine, though. Just needs to take some antibiotics. :3
I keep reading the internet for info. Just hard to find people with the exact same problems. Thanks for posting!

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Sorry for late response. I wasn't getting emails stating I have unread posts.
No, I haven't got a clicker yet. I don't have him on a leash outside when I take him to the potty zone, because I live in the country far from the road, but now he runs far away from me to do his business, no matter where I place him, I can't always praise him properly because I'm too late when I get to him. I never harshly scolded him for accidents indoors, I just say 'no no no' and move him outside, then he takes off and 'makes' like twenty feet away.
When inside he gives no warning about having to pee, he just stops suddenly and goes. He doesn't seem to know the door I use to take him out yet everytime, even though it's right there.
I've been cleaning up the spots with the right stuff, and it's not like he goes in the same spot each time. Just confusing, and he seems to have doggie ADD if that's possible.
Thanks for the advice and food help, Heh, I was feeding him to much at first. He was so bloated.

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There are a lot of helpful people on here :3
Haha thanks for sharing and for the supporting words. Sounds like what I'm going through. Even now as I type its one of those rare napping times for my pup so I can finally go on the internet. People keep saying it will get better, so I'll trust them on that. I'm envious of people who can put their dogs in crates for whenever they need to, I can't stand the whining from my pup when I do this. Yes, I am weak.

Very grateful for the help! He has odd bathroom times, I'm hoping by his second week here he'll have more of a routine bathroom schedule. He's got toys and stuff in his crate, it's just not an interesting place for him, no matter how much treats and toys he gets while in there. He's not whining as much in his crate which I find very relieving.
I'll check for that book at the library next time.

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My dad is helping me with taking him out every night since he gets up early for work. Thank god! XD
Haha, everyone keeps telling me that puppies are exactly like babies and I am truly believing it now.

I know! This puppy was actually a gift from my sister. she didn't research the breed very well. He has more energy than 15 children on pixie sticks. And he has severe ADD, I swear. I wish now more than anything she would of given me a toy breed instead.
I hope he calms down as he gets older.

Thanks for the advice! I've been picking up the water 3 hours before bed, hope that's not bad.
Lucky, my house ins't big enough for more dogs so all my puppy has to play with is cats, and he gets so mad at them if they don't play fair (climbs up to high place/goes up stairs). He bores so easy.

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They are hard! No movie/tv shows ever show how hard they really are. Thanks for the lick, XD good luck with your pup too!
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:42 PM
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Hey there... Regarding the no leash, it's great that you have a big yard where he can run but I'd still suggest a leash so you can be able to praise him when he goes where he's suppose to. Does he come when you call him? You can still make a big deal out of him going outside from far - just be really happy. I don't think a "toy breed" would help your issues. IMO they are FAR harder to potty train and they need excercise the same way. That's another thing. Find a way to tire him out or you're going to be finding him being mischevious. Play fetch, something. The bathroom times will become regular, so don't worry. Nyla would go at the oddest times (and often). By the 2-3rd week she got on a schedule. She now goes potty at 6 something am, at 12pm, 6pm and then before bed around 11 or so.
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I guess it would be more logical to have him on a leash, but with those emergency bathroom moments it might be a little hard to leash him in time. And he can't yet go down stairs, which there happens to be a set of stairs right outside the door I use, so I have to carry him down them to get to his area. He sometimes comes when I call, only when he's not distracted by a twig or caterpillar or whatever. I swear his attention span is very limited. He never stares at a person for more than 5 secs.
Thanks for telling me that about the toys. I was thinking it was just the Springer breed being way to active for me, but I guess most all dogs are like that, huh.
Haha, he doesn't know how to play fetch. I throw something, he watches it lands then goes to biting my feet. I thought it came natural to a dog to fetch, however I was wrong.
That's wonderful to know! There's hope for him yet with the housebreaking,
Heh, pups really do test your patience. Thanks again, you really are helpful X3
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What a great example of why pets are not gifts. (And why a reputable breeder wouldn't sell a pet as a [surprise] gift.)

To the OP, I'm sorry you are having a hard time with the puppy phase. They are like infants in the amount of care they require.

Are you working on crate training? It's not as simple as just sticking pup in there. You have to go in small steps to condition him that it is a great place to be. ie toss a treat near it, toss a treat in it, toss toys in it, all while not closing the door, start feeding him in it, leave treats in it so that he gets surprises when he goes in on his own, etc. Lots of praise and treats when he is in. Never punishment. And also, don't let him out when he is whining/barking (unless he just woke up/it's potty time).

Btw, at this point, as much of a hassle as it is, taking him out every 20-30 minutes is not excessive. Most pups will go that often. Someone mentioned them being able to hold it for two hours--I would clarify that that would really apply at night time or nap time. Do not expect to go two hours while he's awake without an accident. If you do not crate train, then it's all about keeping him with you and under your active supervision at all times inside (ie management/prevention) and taking him out frequently. And even if you don't crate train as a house training technique, it is wise to get him to crate train as a young pup anyways, for any future boarding, vet/hospital stays, post-surgery confinement, etc.

There is A LOT of info on crate training, house training, and general puppy raising on this forum. You especially need to be learning about socialization and bite inhibition. These are great intro books for puppies:
The Puppy Primer: Patricia B. McConnell, Ph.D., Brenda Scidmore: 9781891767135: Amazon.com: Books The Puppy Primer: Patricia B. McConnell, Ph.D., Brenda Scidmore: 9781891767135: Amazon.com: Books
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Perfect Puppy in 7 Days: How to Start Your Puppy Off Right: Sophia Yin: 9780964151871: Amazon.com: Books Perfect Puppy in 7 Days: How to Start Your Puppy Off Right: Sophia Yin: 9780964151871: Amazon.com: Books
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Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog: Dr. Ian Dunbar: 9781577314554: Amazon.com: Books Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog: Dr. Ian Dunbar: 9781577314554: Amazon.com: Books
. I also think this is a very helpful guide for dog handling/training/behavior in general:
How to Behave So Your Dog Behaves: Sophia Yin: 9780793806447: Amazon.com: Books How to Behave So Your Dog Behaves: Sophia Yin: 9780793806447: Amazon.com: Books
. Dr. Sophia Yin's site has a variety of useful articles and videos.

You sound pretty committed, so I hope everything goes well for you and the pup. You mentioned not dumping him at the pound--great. I'd also encourage you to work through any obstacles, related to him or your own career/personal life, in the future instead of "rehoming" him ala craigslist. Unfortunately, you're probably at a point in your life where there are a lot of unknowns in your future--school, career, relationships, location. So you'll really have to make him a priority. ie You mentioned what will happen if/when you have a full time job--your responsibility will be to make sure he's still getting all of the care, attention, training, and exercise he needs.

And for exercise... springers are a hunting breed, and whether or not he is from field lines, he's going to be higher energy. You'll have to provide a lot of exercise time for him in the future--much more than you are at his age now. Off leash exercise is great, but sticking him on his own in a yard won't be sufficient. Yard exercise works best with another dog to play with, an owner to play with, etc. So consider walks, running/joggin, on and off leash (in safe areas), field work, agility/other activities, etc. You'll also want to provide a lot of mental exercise for him, via training sessions, treat dispensers, puzzles, etc. They are busy dogs and can get bored very easily. They are also affectionate, so he'll need a lot of your personal attention.

Good luck! If you stick around, you'll learn lots here.
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I think every first time puppy owner thinks their pup has ADD, but in reality they (especially active breeds) are just like that because they are puppies. He will improve, and on walks and the like you can use training treats (morsel-sized treats like the Blue Buffalo Blue Bits) to reward him when he is focused in you or what he is supposed to be doing. I still am never far from training treats, as my dog is still young and learning a lot.

ETA: that list of books is excellent, as were the points brought up about crate training and bite inhibition.
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I swear his attention span is very limited. He never stares at a person for more than 5 secs.
Yep, yep. He's a baby. Don't expect too much for focus. Positive/reward based training is still effective at his age, though. Keep treats in your pockets or stashed around the house. You can practice "look" and "here" by rewarding him every time he looks at you and goes over to you.
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5 seconds is actually very good eye contact for an 8 week puppy.

Welcome to the world of bird dogs.
I have two!

Both raised from young puppies. Yes, as Crock says, they are very much like a human infant for a while, in terms of how much time and focus they take. This phase only lasts a few months though. It will get easier at some point, but also it will get harder when he's bigger and needs to run more!

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