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Old 06-27-2013, 12:44 PM
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So I won't go into great discussion about Tessa's daycare nightmare, but I did get the 'trainer' to admit she forced Tessa into a crate and 'squirted' her with a hose when she wouldn't stop barking (she said she did it because her barking was upsetting the order amongst the other dogs; I said she should have called me and I would have picked her up)

Anyway, Tessa has come home from her 'experience' with some new habits or escalated old habits. These include:

1. She now stops on walks and lays down (never done this before) when she sees another dog, if it's a small dog approaching she lunges and barks at them, if it's a big dog she rolls over. How do I get her to walk and politely greet?

2. Excessive biting/attacking me.

So I don't know if this is a separation thing or what but when I have left her in her crate, so I can go to work, and have taken her out again once I'm home, or if I call her to me when she's outside, she runs over, jumps on me, and begins biting me on my arms HARD. When I withdraw (I can't escape without causing a chase and escalating the attack) into a tree stance and turn my back on her she begins to bite my legs and back (no re-directing is working at this point, she just wants flesh). She gets crazy eyes when she does this.

We were getting better at this but it's taken a turn for the worse, she just won't stop. Add in she has grown in some adult teeth/pressure is making it REALLY not fun for me.

She normally has pretty good bite inhibition but tonight she got me good enough in the arm and she wouldn't let go, I got a darn good bite mark and bled quite a bit; nothing that requires stitches thankfully, but it did leave quite a mark.

3. She has begun to bark at EVERY THING! and it's a pretty deep, growly bark. She actually almost when through our window this morning because the mail man decided to drop off mail. What can I do to control this?

4. She's begun to eat the walls. I get that she's still teething, so what can I do to get her to stop?

I think I'm losing trust in her and I'm becoming scared she might become an aggressive dog. I feel like I've failed

Edit: she gets two 45 minute walks and 20 minutes of off leash play
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Well, she may need more exercise, I assume that was part the point of the daycare :/

Instead of "be a tree" try walking into her. As she jumps and attacks walk directly towards her. But STOP the instant she does. As soon as she stops, ask her to do something (sit, or down or something basic) and REWARD. Watch her closely though, in some cases this comes across as aggressive, which may make your problem worse.

Does she ever do any of that when she's on leash (not counting the greeting dogs problem)? It might be simplest to step back to constantly having her teathered to you, with you putting on a leash before even letting herout of her crate, and using an extra long leash for outside play. If nothing else it would give you an extra handle to use when she goes off, and being that close may give you the added bit needed to redirect.
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Poor Tessa. I can only imagine Kabota in that situation, and it makes me ragey and weepy at the same time.

How long has it been? When dogs get scared, the hormones that flood their bodies can take up to 2 weeks to dissipate. She might just need a total shut down for a couple of weeks to cool off. No going on walks, no seeing people, nothing. Just you and things she purely enjoys.

As for teething, she looks like a lab, and they are teething nightmares! They make teething toys for dogs that you freeze. They feel good on those sore gums and it's a lot better than drywall. She might really like those.
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Oh Kay, I am so sorry that you are going through this and what happened to Tessa.
All I can think of, she is associating the crate with the horrible experience at that day care. (they should be ashamed for what they did).

Both Ruth and Amaryllis have good advice, I hope you incorporate it in your daily routine.
Let us know.
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ruthcatrin- Our puppy class trainer (I now say loosely) wanted her to go to the daycare because she seemed to intent to play with other dogs, she said it would cause Tessa to think of dogs as no big deal. She usually is fine with the 45 min walk and off leash play and training; I was worried that it was over doing it a bit because isn't the rule 5 mins for every month, Tessa is only 5 months in 2 days.

Amaryllis- I never thought of just putting her on lock down and not allowing any stimulation..the daycare situation happened just monday morning and she's been acting odd since (note my thread puppy daycare; she spent monday night shaking under my bed). I guess I'll just keep her home and work on training stuff. We aren't going back to the daycare/puppy class is out.

And yes she's a lab/border collie mix so teething is 2x. Are there any suggestions for a kong filling? She doesn't like peanut butter and low fat yogurt gives her smooshy poos.
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I just read your other thread on puppy daycare. Poor pup

Amaryllis is right, it can take several days for a dog to recover from the hormonal response to something like that.

I like the idea of some seclusion for a few days, just you and her and some time for her to recover at home where its safe.

Can you use a bathroom or spare room for a bit, instead of the crate? It would depend on how destructive she is I do realize.
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ruthcatrin- Our puppy class trainer (I now say loosely) wanted her to go to the daycare because she seemed to intent to play with other dogs, she said it would cause Tessa to think of dogs as no big deal. She usually is fine with the 45 min walk and off leash play and training; I was worried that it was over doing it a bit because isn't the rule 5 mins for every month, Tessa is only 5 months in 2 days.
I've never been one for such rules. I work my pups till they start showing signs of being tired, and then pick back up where I left off when they start being active again.

Having said that don,t be afraid to use mental stimulation too. Hide and seek (for example) isn't very energy intensive, but it makes them work and can be lotsa fun.

Normally I'd agree that a puppy daycare isn't a bad idea for a pup who could use more dog exposure, but it sounds like the whole thing just went totally bad.....

Once you get a better handle on her check around and see if any of the other puppy classes in the area also have a puppy play time, you'd be right there with her, and it would let her get some more exposure.

For kongs. Can you stuff them with part of her meals? Some added water, and then freeze, will make it take some work to get the food and keep her occupied.

Our solution to chewing was to bring in sticks, BUT, neither of my dogs ATE the pieces, just chewed them up. If you think she'd do the same it might be an idea for you. It makes a horrible mess of splinters all over the floor though......
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Best of luck Kay!! I agree with lots of the advice on this thread so just want to give you some encouragement, one 5 month old puppy owner to another. You are dedicated and love your pup and are taking a very active role in Tessa's life--- you can get through this! I know it can be heartbreaking when you give it your all and sometimes the results backfire, but keep heart, Tessa will turn out to be a great companion when you stick to it!! Keep us updated!
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Ya know sometimes I wonder what I'd do with out DF

When I went to work today I put Tessa in my bedroom instead of the crate. I unplugged all things electric, removed anything she could get into (my rooms tiny, so not much to remove) and turned on my web cam. Little girl stayed under my bed for all 4 hours; No destruction, no needless chewing, just napping under the bed with her kong. A little proud.

We're going to take a walk hiatus like amaryllis suggested, which is ok because we just got her a pvc hard plastic pop up pool that's deep enough for her to swim in (fyi: she loves it; she won't stop dragging all her toys into the pool, throwing one or two out, and jumping out and back in with it; sort of like her own game of fetch ).

We will get through this, and with any luck, this too shall pass
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She sounds extremely over stimulated, intimidated and nervous/anxious from her experiences.

Yes, I too would give her a couple of very quiet days. I've learned from my dogs that too much exercise sometimes is not actually helpful in terms of settling the upset brain chemicals.
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