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Old 02-12-2015, 09:23 PM
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For what it's worth, my pup could easily hold it for a full 8 hour period at 5 months. I doubt that is the issue with your pup, though if he doesn't feel the need to hold it then he will go in the house.
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ok, firstly thank you both. I'd been away for a while and my boyfriend was looking after him. But I think he's scared of my bf so much since he does not poo in front of him. I think it is because my bf yells him. I will try to fix this do you have some advice? Secondly I thought about crates but sometimes bc of school we can't get home -for example- 6 hours. then for 6 hours he should be at his crate? that sounds insane. I dont know, if it is not please inform me.
Btw 3 times a day looks okay under these circumstances. He's near his 6th month. He's seen by vet today and he thought eating poo can be result from insufficient vitamins. We're gonna take care of it. And I wanna ask for some other advices. He can be really scary. He snarls at us mostly and always looks sad. I dont know what is wrong with him. And I am scared of him bc sometimes I think he's gonna attack us. We are so complicated. Maybe we should take help from a professional trainer?
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ok, firstly thank you both. I'd been away for a while and my boyfriend was looking after him. But I think he's scared of my bf so much since he does not poo in front of him. I think it is because my bf yells him. I will try to fix this do you have some advice? Secondly I thought about crates but sometimes bc of school we can't get home -for example- 6 hours. then for 6 hours he should be at his crate? that sounds insane. I dont know, if it is not please inform me.
Btw 3 times a day looks okay under these circumstances. He's near his 6th month. He's seen by vet today and he thought eating poo can be result from insufficient vitamins. We're gonna take care of it. And I wanna ask for some other advices. He can be really scary. He snarls at us mostly and always looks sad. I dont know what is wrong with him. And I am scared of him bc sometimes I think he's gonna attack us. We are so complicated. Maybe we should take help from a professional trainer?
Consistently taking him out just 3 times a day is setting him up to fail. If one day 3 times is all you an manage that's one thing, but to do it all the time isn't good. Think about if you were only allowed to go to the bathroom 3 times a day, how well would that work? Would you like to always be holding it and really needing to pee? Would, sooner or later, that cup, bottle, or bowl, start to look like a good place to empty your bladder? Try taking him out right before you leave for school, try to get home around midday to let him have a potty break, take him out as soon as you get home in the evening, then at least once or twice more. If you can't take him out midday then you really are going to have to crate him while you are gone. Right now he has no reason to hold it, being in the crate will help him learn to and break the habit he has of going in the house.

From the way you describe him he sounds frightened and anxious and that's likely why he is snarling. Snarling and growling is communication. It's a dog's way of saying I am very uncomfortable with what's happening, it's scaring me, please stop so I don't have to bite.

You do NOT want to teach him to stop snarling, what you want is to figure out why he's snarling. What are you doing that is causing him to do that? If you can tell us that we can help you figure out what to do. An example would be he's snarling because you are near him when he has a really good chew. That's resource guarding and there are games and cues you can teach him that would make him feel relaxed and happy when you are around his chew, once he feels like that he won't snarl.

https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...rowling-86338/
https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...-fallout-4776/

A behaviorist or trainer would be a good idea, but be careful who you hire, not all trainers or behaviorist are good and they can actually make the problems worse. Here's a link that will help you find a good one if you choose to hire one. https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...iorist-113946/
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You are right but I said 3 times because it is told they can hold their toilet near 6 hours. I didn't mean I always take him 3 times a day. If I can have time of course I do more than three. You are completely right. I think we can try crate but do you consider that as such a free dog, Forrest can accept this idea? I don't know he seems so crazy. We come home then we find him with a soap or a shoe and with too much poo. He does what he wants. I don't know if I can make him adjust to the crate. Can I? On the other hand, I think it is not fair since sometimes it will last hours to come home. I don't know maybe untill he can learn something I should try it. But how? I have so many questions. I don't know if I can deal with these.
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Hi Forrest,

First of all, I want to welcome you to the Dog Forum. Bringing home a new dog can be very stressful, and there's much to learn. This is a very useful site, and you'll see that you are not alone.

My initial reaction is that your dog is very stressed, and you and your bf need to do whatever you can to lower his stress. You mentioned that your bf sometimes yells at your dog. I know that his pottying in the house can be very frustrating, but your bf and you need to stop ALL attempts to discipline or correct your dog immediately. Obviously, this approach hasn't worked, and it's making your dog even more afraid.

Many dogs can be very treat-motivated. I'd suggest that you start liberally giving out treats for any and all desired behavior, no matter how insignificant. To keep your dog on a balanced diet, you can use his kibble as treats. Make him feel like your star pupil.
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You are right but I said 3 times because it is told they can hold their toilet near 6 hours. I didn't mean I always take him 3 times a day. If I can have time of course I do more than three. You are completely right. I think we can try crate but do you consider that as such a free dog, Forrest can accept this idea? I don't know he seems so crazy. We come home then we find him with a soap or a shoe and with too much poo. He does what he wants. I don't know if I can make him adjust to the crate. Can I? On the other hand, I think it is not fair since sometimes it will last hours to come home. I don't know maybe untill he can learn something I should try it. But how? I have so many questions. I don't know if I can deal with these.

Without proper crate training, nope he isn't going to happily except the crate, nearly all dogs won't. You need to slowly get him used to the crate being a nice place where good stuff happens, this sticky will explain how to do that https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...ning-faq-3974/ . What you don't want to happen is what happened to me and my first puppy. Back then I thought it was cruel to keep a puppy in a crate and so let my pup have free run of the house. Nearly a year later I had a puppy that still wasn't housetrained. If I had crate trained him from the start that might have not happened. What I didn't understand was that the crate could be temporary and once he was housetrained I didn't have to use it anymore. Same with you and your pup, once he's housetrained you can decide if you want to keep on having him stay in it when you are gone or if you want to allow him to be loose in the house.

If you are set against using the crate you can also try using a small room, like the bathroom, or an exercise pen (secure the exercise pen to the wall or he might knock it over), and see if that works with him. With some dogs it does, with others they'll potty on one side of the room, and stay on the other side.
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First off, it is clear that the puppy is uncomfortable in his current situation. He's making that clear to you, especially through not pooping in front of your boyfriend and the growling. It's hard when you're angry about something, but both you and your boyfriend need to stop yelling at him NOW. Some dogs can tolerate it better than others, but it sounds like it's really negatively affecting your dog. He's just trying to relieve himself, and he gets yelled at for doing it. He doesn't know where the appropriate spot is, so he's confused and scared. He's learned that pooping in front of Daddy is bad and will get him yelled at, failing to make the connection that pooping in the HOUSE was the real issue. Dogs' brains do not function at the same level as ours. Plenty of times when my puppy was young I just got frustrated and had to put him in his crate. I knew I was reaching my breaking point, didn't want to take it out on the dog, so put him in his safe place so I could cool down. Not that I would have beaten him silly or anything, but I didn't want to do anything that would be detrimental to our relationship.

Second, six hours in the crate is not insane in the slightest. This is particularly true when you're house training. I feel zero guilt leaving my puppy and adult dog (now 9 months and 2 years) crated for 8 hour periods, either overnight or while I'm at work/school. I make sure I make up for lost time in attention, exercise, and training when I return. Based on the house training issues and that you mentioned inappropriate chewing this pup should definitely be crate trained for the foreseeable future. Once he has matured, knows what he is allowed to chew and what is off limits, and his house training is SOLID then you can feel much more comfortable adding more freedom. By solid I mean zero accidents for a couple of months. As I mentioned, restricting him now will mean that you can give him much more freedom later in life without having your carpets or shoes ruined.

Crate training is a process that requires time and patience. No, the average dog won't take to it immediately and be up for a 6 hour stay during the school day. You need to work slowly, start with mere seconds in the crate before a release, and build from there. Wonderful things must happen in the crate- all meals are fed there, wonderful treats like hot dogs are given there, super fun toys are played with in there, the crate is a fun place of goodness. Even then your dog may still express disapproval at points during the process by whining or crying. You can work through it. I went through it with my boys and both of them are perfectly fine being crated now. IMO very few dogs actually can't be crate trained... but most crate training isn't done properly or signs of severe separation anxiety are mistaken as an inability to be crate trained.

Yes, a dog is physically capable of only being let out three times per day. By only letting a dog in house training three times per day you are essentially setting them up for failure. Remember- your dog does not yet understand what you want from him. You can't read his mind and know when during the 8 hour period he will start needing to go. You need to provide him with ample opportunities to do the right thing (pottying outside) so that he can hit the mark. When he does you throw a happy hot dog party. You can't throw a hot dog party if you're an hour late taking him out and he already went inside. Thus by taking him out so infrequently you are missing out on numerous opportunities to reward him and speed up the house training process. You can eventually spread out the amount of time spend between visits outside as you progress in his training and learn his potty schedule. Even then I'd still take him out more frequently than every 8 hours for the sake of comfort... but I wouldn't be worried that he'll be forced to stand in poop and pee while you're sleeping or gone during the day.

Also look at it this way-- humans are also capable of holding their bladder for 8 hours. Do you always wait 8 hours between visiting the restroom? Not likely... as humans we usually go much more frequently if we have the opportunity. We (generally speaking) are more than capable of holding it overnight while we're asleep or through a long meeting if we have to, but we'd rather not if given another choice. Dogs are the same way. He'll have the urge to go more frequently more than three times per day, but it won't be an urgent thing. To your puppy who isn't house trained (or any non house trained dog) he sees various areas in your house as potential bathrooms right now, so he won't feel the need to wait. If you start taking him out more frequently and catching him going outside then you can reward it. Suddenly, pooping outside seems much better than inside because you get hot dogs. Perhaps sort of similar to how you'd rather wait to use your bathroom at home than using a dirty public bathroom when possible. It's a much more positive experience!

Crate training will help with this. You don't have a problem with going to the bathroom in the designated bathroom in your house. Dogs can be the same way if not properly house trained... certain areas in the home become their bathrooms. On the other hand, you wouldn't really be so inclined to go if you were confined strictly to your bedroom. You'd wait until a more appropriate option came available because it's just dirty to soil where you sleep. By confining dogs to a small area they are essentially in a bedroom. Barring you leaving them in for a period far too long or poor crate training/anxiety kicking in they will wait until you let them out to relieve themselves-- and at this point you should have him outside in an appropriate spot armed with treats and praise. This will prevent accidents from happening and afford you an ideal time to reward your dog- right after they get released from their crate and probably need to go.

I understand your frustration, but it can be managed! I'd really highly recommend proper crate training in your situation, though. When done properly it's not cruel, it'll save you a lot of cleaning/chewed shoes, and it'll mean that you can safely give your dog free roam of the house sooner if that's what you choose to do. Setting up an exercise pen may also be an option, but it's not one that I prefer. Takes up more space and some dogs will sleep on one side/soil the other, but it's something you may consider trying.
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Do you think I have to get a clicker? Can it make easier to make him learn faster?
The clicker is a great idea. It does mark the thing you are trying to teach. Kikopup is a wonderful teacher. Just make sure you wait until the pup finishes going before you click. We can become excited and click to soon and teach them to only go 1/2 and then they seem to finish in the house. You want to mark with the click when finished and then treat with something really yummy.
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