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Old 11-08-2010, 04:58 AM
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When you say you have done everything, I don't see anywhere mentioning the most crucial (or I'm blind and don't see it). When you put the dog into the crate do you try to leave the room (or house) for a while, listen on what he does (cry, yelp, etc) and come back in when he is quite to praise him?

Something I did to a friends dog who had the same problem was this...

We put her in her crate and covered it with a blanket so she could not see us, we were standing right there next to the crate but did not speak, move or anything and had a radio on. She started yelping, crying, etc and would go on for many minutes so we started the training of "nobody's correcting me" which is whenever she yelped or cried we would bang on the crate just enough to make a loud noise (like the crate/house is correcting her, not a human) when she would be quiet for 1-2 min we would lift the cover and praise her with a yummy treat and let her out of the crate and when we did that for 2 days (only 5-6 times a day) the third day my friend told me she had stopped doing that, she was very quite, she would go inside her crate as told everyday with some toys and kong and enjoy her toys and sleep while he was gone and when he came back from work he told me she waits patiently for him to let her out and play and go for walk.

I know the method sounds crazy and weird but I picked it up from a trainer who described this to me in a different way and did some changes I thought of my way and so far it has succeeded in 12 out of 12 dogs I've helped on this matter.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:29 AM
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Just a thought here - how are you (Cleveland Steve) when you put him in the crate? Are you feeling anxious, worried that it'll all 'kick off' again etc? When I first had my young puppy home he cried and cried overnight when I put him in the crate. It broke my heart and I began to hate putting him in there at night. So much so that I'm convinced that I set up an energy exchange which didn't help. I was anxious and transferred this to my puppy who then got anxious - and so it went on......until I got my husband to put the puppy to bed at night. He's a lot more matter of fact than I am. Over the next couple of nights we had a peaceful time and I calmed down which meant that when I went back to putting my pup to bed at night, both of us were OK and we started to get some sleep!

I'm not saying that this alone will sort things out, but it may be worth considering whether you're transferring any anxiety to your dog when you leave.
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I have that same exact problem with my five month old Husky, who I got at six weeks old. I've tried everything, but what works best for me is rewarding him for being alone as long as he doesn't chew anything he's not allowed to. I bought these carob chip oatmeal cookies from a local dog treat bakery, pretty pricey and they smell bad in my opinion. But my dog goes crazy for them, since they are a real treat. After a few months of rewarding him with these after coming home, he is now able to be on his own. He just needed to learn that i would come back and that if he was good, he'd be rewarded. All it takes is some time and patience.
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... I've tried everything, but what works best for me is rewarding him for being alone...All it takes is some time and patience.
^^This. Time and patience and making the crate a great place. Honestly, other people get rid of their crates b/c the dog isn't using it or they haven't crate trained their dog completely. When I had my dog, we would never have gotten rid of the crate because it was his safe space. Also, with a SA dog, crating through the dog's life (or at least for several years) may be what you end up doing, so an aluminum crate is only going to be $50/year for the dog's life; you'll spend more on food.

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...whenever she yelped or cried we would bang on the crate just enough to make a loud noise...
I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT DO THIS. You're actually scaring the dog and teaching the dog to be scared of the crate. With an SA dog, this could increase his anxiety and make the problem worse, even if he's not barking (i.e. he could start mutilating himself). You want your dog to love the crate, it will just take time.

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I found, with my dog that did this (eats walls and screams) that the crate was better than letting her roam...that said I had to make the crate the most awesome place ever ever ever...my way of doing that is feeding every single meal in it.
^^^ This is what you want to do. Show your dog that crate = awesomeawesomeawesome

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Feed all meals exclusively in the crate.

Leave treats in the crate for your dog to find randomly every 10–20 minutes

Once your dog knows the "crate" command, you can make this a game for him and play several times a day.

Command your dog into his crate. Close the crate door, and immediately treat him and open the crate door.

Command your dog into his crate, and give him a special treat that will take him awhile to eat. If he exits the crate with his treat, command him back in or put his treat back in the crate. If he continues to exit with his treat after three tries, take the treat away.

Crate him with a treat WHILE STAYING IN THE ROOM, so that he doesn't associate the crate with you always leaving.

If you are leaving your dog in the crate for a long period of time, your dog should be given a high value, crate-exclusive treat that will last anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour.

If you are leaving your dog in the crate for a long period of time and the dog is familiar with you, leave an item with your scent, such as an old t-shirt, in the crate with him.

Your dog should be crated with a few crate-exclusive, safe toys/chews along with his treat. If you have several of these toys, they can be switched out from day to day. These toys should be taken away and hidden when your dog is not crated.

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