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Old 06-14-2011, 05:36 AM
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I'm beginning to understand why some people buy mutts

I've been looking for puppy number two and I'm finding it an absolute minefield because I'm trying to do the right thing. I've been looking for breeders on the Kennel Club website but I've just found out that breeders pay to get on the accredited scheme and that a popular puppy farm scam is to credit puppies from two bitches to one so that they can breed more frequently (KC registered bitches are only supposed to have one litter a year). As there is no inspection of premises it is possible to tick all the boxes but still be a bad breeder.

Some breeders seem to test for everything, others don't see the point of testing the pups if you're not going to breed or show (other than a vet check). I've just spoken to a very helpful breeder who shows his dogs and feels that if I buy from a member of the Mini Schnauzer club then at least they have their dogs' health and welbeing at heart. But, for an normal 'punter' like me, this makes things even more confusing because there isn't a single person on the Mini Schnauzer breeder's list who's also on the Kennel Club breeder's list.

And, the cheapest puppy I find is 650, the most expensive is 850 (so is it only well off people who can afford well bred dogs?). All I want is a pet who is healthy and stable and from a person who has the dog's best interests at heart. I don't want to breed and I don't want to show and I don't care if it's registered with the Kennel Club - particularly now I know it doesn't guarantee the things I consider important. It's deeply depressing and very confusing. Hopefully I'll get there in the end.
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Sarah, why not make a trip to the animal shelter and see what you can find there? Many will have puppies. If you're set on a mini schnauzer you could also look up a breed specific rescue. Another thing you could do is try to get in touch with Tulip- haven't seen her around lately - but I'm sure she would be able to direct you to a reputable breeder.
I'm sorry you're having a difficult time! It will be worth it in the end
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I've been in touch with rescue shelters but they rarely have puppies and I've never seen a schnauzer or poodle of any age (both breeds I'd consider). I contacted the Mini Schnauzer rescue site and they said they very rarely have any schnauzers for rescue and they don't keep a list.

I'm lucky in that I have you guys to help - and I will contact Tulip about this - but what about all those people who want a puppy and just want some simple, straight forward advice on where to go? You'd think accredited breeder and breed specific breeder lists would be a good start but it seems not.

Sorry to moan, but it's just so frustrating.
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Unfortunately I don't know what to tell you since you're in the UK. You could just do some web searches on breeders and make a list of them then screen from there. You could try to find a dog show in your area and talk to some breeders there. You definitely should buy from a breeder who shows the dogs. I personally like to see a CH conformation title plus some kind of performance on the dogs. It tells me that the breeder has invested the time in the animal. I understand that you're not interested in showing or breeding but buying from someone who doesn't show, health test, etc means buyig from someone who hasn't done everything in their power to produce puppies that better the breed. May or may not affect you in the short term - or long term if you get lucky - but the idea is that it does affect dogs as a whole.
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Do you have a dog club in your area? You might be able to get some word-of-mouth recommendations from members if you have a club you can attend.

Pedigreed dogs, even pet dogs, are expensive. I"d want to visit the breeder several times, speak to their vet, some kind of warranty against the dog having the obvious things for that breed that should have been excluded by the proper genetic testing, and I'd ask whether I could contact some other owners who had dogs from the breeder.

A puppy is a bit of a gamble as you can't know how it's personality will develop or what it'll turn out like, although my girl had a distinct personality even when she was a tiny puppy before I got her (very pushy and outgoing compared to her brothers who were more reticent).

You'll find the dog for you and Synnu. Don't get discouraged.
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I've posted on the Schnauzer Forum for recommendations. Following Cali's post I had another go at looking for a rescue and found a couple of poodle rescues (I think from ex-breeders but I'm waiting to hear back from the rescue centre). My concern with this whole pedigree thing is that there seems to be huge criticism for dogs that aren't pedigrees (including Synnu's type) and yet if we never had any other type of dog only the well off would be able to afford them, and I don't think that's fair.
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I think the criticism is directed at the puppy farms who cross-breed dogs for sale. They can be very poor conditions and dogs are sold in pet shops to anybody. They are just out to make money from the dogs and aren't primarily concerned with the dogs' welfare. Anyway, don't be too influenced by what other people think, it's your dog.

Single-breed dogs still get dumped, unfortunately. So do cats, when I got my girls, there were abyssinians and persians and all sorts of expensive cats sitting in the orphanage. Short term it might be discouraging, but something will come along. Just give it some time and keep looking.
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hm well there are some mini Schnauzer puppies over here in Germany, from breeders of the PSK (the club for German Schnauzer and pinscher breeders) but they're very expensive as well as far as I know and since you're in the UK.... hm :/
Good luck with your research. They're worth it.
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Sarah, why not make a trip to the animal shelter and see what you can find there? Many will have puppies. If you're set on a mini schnauzer you could also look up a breed specific rescue. Another thing you could do is try to get in touch with Tulip- haven't seen her around lately - but I'm sure she would be able to direct you to a reputable breeder.
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this!

I work for a shelter and we get TONS of puppies in, just ask Cali she saw

Also why are you dead set on a pure bred? Why not get a schnauzer mix? i think we have 2 in our shelter, maybe just 1 now. But there are mixes out there that will still have the qualities you are looking for. And why are you dead set on a puppy? What about a young adult?
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pawzaddict - I've just responded to your post on my other thread. Perhaps it's different in the US but I've been searching for a rescue too and would be very happy with a young adult and/or a mix but they just don't seem to be around. I'm waiting to hear back about a couple of young poodles as I said above but they're the first I've seen.
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