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Old 01-14-2013, 08:52 PM
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All kennels in PA (commercial, non-profit, rescues, boarding, etc.) are inspected 2x a year by the State Dog Wardens and IIRC inspections are random and kennels are not notified before hand. A complaint to the dog wardens/AC/humane officers is certainly worth a try and might result in a visit. But neither puplove or gregt saw anything illegal so I'm not sure how much can really be done...

Also PA has more stringent laws and regulations for kennels than many states.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:03 PM
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I don't know where AZ stands as a whole but I know local kennels/shelters have been shut down after a couple months into an investigation for no food/water or living in "unacceptable conditions". Is this a store that is just selling the dogs or breeding them? I wonder what is "acceptable" and what is no during these visits.
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From what I've heard from people in rescue in AZ, the laws are pretty crappy, so those must have been severe cases....
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Thats shocking to me because I have seen nothing but strict regulations myself. Shelters/rescues shut down due to neglect, home owners having to legally give up their animals due to neglect, people being required by the court to bring their animals to the vets so many times due to neglect of another animal (one case was a woman hiking and didn't take water with her, one of her Boston's died from heat stroke and the owner and 2nd dog were followed to our clinic by an officer lol) etc etc.

I myself have spoken with a sheriff's deputy in regards to a craigslist posting and the number provided and they actually knew who it was and took in the 2 puppies he "left outside to die unless someone came to get them" and then with photos had enough to charge the dude.

Must all be circumstantial

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Old 01-14-2013, 09:12 PM
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Thanks for the info KMES. After a lot of thought and a long convo with our local vet this morning unfortunately we had to make a decision to return the dog. When I spoke to the guy this morning I went over everything that happened and I have nothing bad to say about how he dealt with the situation as he offered to refund all of the money instead of trying to stick to his original "contract" terms of only allowing an exchange. The one thing that concerned me is when I started to question more about the health records of the parents and he offered no information at all. In retrospect we should have pressed more for this information upfront but the home appeared to be very well kept and the dog was absolutely gorgeous so we were a little blinded. Also, I made sure to get confirmation from him that he had no intention on attempting to put this dog back up for sale again given that the dog has already had 2 grand mal seizure and is not even 10 weeks old. I let him know that I had all intentions of calling the AG if I didn't hear back from the direct breeder/whole-saler within a few days so we will wait to see where this goes. Overall, very traumatizing experience especially for my wife and I hope PA continues to get tougher regulations b/c what could potentially be going on "behind barn doors" is disgusting.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:20 PM
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geez I hope if their answer is euthanizing the poor pup they take it to a vet and have it done....
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Pawz, if you really are interested in PA commercial kennel regulations, they are all laid out in the last link I provided. Look under "459-207. Requirements for kennels".

gregt915, I really am very sorry for all you and your family have been through over the last few days. As tough as it is, it's probably best that you returned the puppy.
If you decide to try again with a different breeder, feel free to post. We'll be glad to help you find a reputable breeder. And of course don't rule out adoption through shelters and rescue groups!
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:35 PM
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Pawz, if you really are interested in PA commercial kennel regulations, they are all laid out in the last link I provided. Look under "459-207. Requirements for kennels".
I was meaning more so a general guideline not just specific states.

I am fuzzy sighted right now due to migraine so will check it out for sure tomorrow thanks for posting it! I can never find links for laws without hours of searching lol
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You made the right decision, and I really, really hope he sticks to his word and doesn't sell that puppy. Keep an eye out on the site and on Craigslist if you can, to make sure you don't see an ad for the puppy.

I'm so sorry you and your wife had to go through such a traumatic experience to learn why one shouldn't ever buy a dog from people/facilities like this, and why one shouldn't ever buy a dog based on how beautiful it is, or at least not ignore major red flags because of how gorgeous the dog is. A beautiful looking dog, aside from it looking the breed standard, and looking healthy and well-bred, does not ever mean it is coming from a good place, or that it is going to be the perfect dog.

I am not surprised in the least that he was not willing at all to give you more information regarding the records of the parents. The reason he never gave you the information in the first place was probably to save his own behind in a circumstance like this, and he may have had/sold puppies like this before.

Please make sure to make that phone call, for the sake of that puppy, and all of the others like him.
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Yes, ditto what kmes said, please let us know if you decide to get another pup if you can, and don't forget that shelters and rescues have puppies all the time!

You may not know the health background of the parents of those pups either, but not only will they be completely sound health-wise when you adopt them, and you'll have support from the shelter/rescue for the rest of the dog's life, but you will be paying dramatically less for a healthier, happier and more needy pup. You will also be literally saving a life.
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