How to find an unaltered dog that isn't from a breeder or puppy mill

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Old 04-25-2016, 12:16 PM
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How to find an unaltered dog that isn't from a breeder or puppy mill

I'm not quite ready to find a dog, but I'd like to at least be aware of some potential places to look when the time does come.

I'd like to either do an ovary sparing spay or a late spay on my puppy when I do find her. I'd also like to get a mixed breed dog that's expected to be (can't know for sure with a mutt!) mid-sized and intelligent. The trouble I'm running into is that shelters and rescues tend to rip out the sex organs as soon as they can put the puppy under anesthesia. I've seen 2 month old puppies for sale/adoption that were marked as having been spayed/neutered! That's craziness... anyway, Where can I look and how can I find a puppy that hasn't been desexed? I also do have definite breed preferences that may or may not change by the time I get a dog. I don't want just any random dog.
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I'm not sure about Oregon, however in Florida it is illegal to adopt out a dog that has not been fixed. So a lot of younger dogs get fixed early so they have a better chance of being adopted while they are still very young which is something a lot of people look for.
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You seem to have something very specific in mind....so why not go to a breeder?
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I had considered a breeder, but as I browse Petfinder.com, I find that there are many dogs on there I wouldn't mind having. The only issue is the spay/neuter thing. Then there's also the cost difference... a few hundred tops versus 1000+. There's also the aspect of not contributing to the overpopulation problem.
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I think you will find it extremely difficult, if not impossible to get an intact dog from a shelter. Since so many dogs come in and out, they tend to get neutered very quickly.
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The only thing I can think is maybe finding a smaller private rescue. Sometimes I've seen they will adopt out dogs with spay/neuter contracts to save the shelter money.
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Honestly makes sense from a shelter pov to alter early. Need to make sure their animals aren't leaving and later reproducing. Even with contracts, spay/neuter vouchers, refundable deposits, and other systems many animals leave and aren't actually altered. Then there's the added work (additional records, needing to track down people to verify altering, etc.) to already overworked employees...

Anyway, in my area some rescue groups will adopt out puppies with a spay/neuter contract (normally requiring at approx. 6 months) and purchase of a voucher or deposit (refunded with proof of spay/neuter).

Otherwise for a mixed breed puppy you're probably looking at a private rehome...
Someone rehoming a puppy due to a move, allergies, landlord saying no, etc.
Maybe a genuine ''oops litter'' or perhaps a litter by an unclaimed female being helped by a good citizen. In cases like these, personally I would expect a low fee (maybe $50) and if it were me I would probably ask that I pay a vet directly and the funds be used to alter the mom and/or dad. Maybe a donation to a rescue or shelter of the original owners choice. Something like that...
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Why is it important for you to have an unaltered puppy?
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@sullyrules - I believe the OP plans to spay, just later in the puppy's life, and it looks like they would prefer to do an OSS.
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Yes, that is wise...it generally good wait until after puberty and when the pup is finished growing, to alter, if one alters at all. Dogs need their hormones to develop their joints and bones properly, not to mention develop their personality. When I lived in Scandinavia, it is actually considered cruel to fix a dog (but then again, there is no overpopulation problem there either).

I got our unfixed 10 week old puppy from Big Dogs Huge Paws rescue. Because the dogs there are extra large/ giant breeds, they know that dogs should not be fixed until older. They are based in Colorado, but I've seen them adopt out to Oregon.
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