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Old 12-03-2012, 01:50 PM
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I'm reluctant to consider that but I understand what you are saying. I expected excessive chewing. Our pyr ate our couch when he was a pup, see amusing pic:
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I've just never experienced such dog directed chewing before. He pulls out clumps of hair and he does not seem to understand No from either the dogs or us. We were initially going to let Jiki sort the puppy out himself as he's "raised" 2 other puppies and was always perfect at it. However, he's trying and the pup isn't getting it so I'm inthttps://www.dogforum.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=268012ervening.

Funny thing is he doesn't bite/chew on us or our toddler, it's exclusively dog chewing.
Well of course not.

Nobody wants to get rid of there dog. I am not saying go out, and dump him off, But if it doesn't improve, The right thing to do by the other dogs is either segregate them, or give him to a better home. And segregation can end up being equally unfair for both dogs, just as is the situation now. I had to deal with the segregation games before. Both dogs just did not get along. And, they both became severely depressed and lost drive from constantly being locked in a room 50% of the time. We ending up giving him to a friend, and both dogs are doing great.

It's strange that it wont even take correction from the other dogs... I've never dealt with a puppy like that. Especially since the other dog has dealt with correcting puppies.

I hope everything works out for you, and your dogs!

Good luck.
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furbabymum, did you see the link I posted to the LGD library? THey have information on there for joining a message board of other similer breed owners. Its possible this is something breed typical (It wouldn't surprise me). I'm not sure if the group is still active, but at least some of the link out are. Also did you try asking the breeder for help to see if they can suggest anything?

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http://www.flockguard.org/community/
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:43 AM
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I did post in an LGD forum and have yet to get a reply. Not as active. Reading through other posts though they say LGD's are better dog communicators than human communicators because of their breeding. That makes it even odder that he isn't picking up on simple dog cues.

As for training him I've got several tips. Mostly I expect this will be a phase and it will pass but it's a phase my other dogs aren't loving so much. We've already trained him off the chickens (which he used to catch) so I imagine it'll just take us a bit more time.

Seriously oddly obsessive though. Just the weirdest puppy I've ever encountered with this dog chewing.
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furbabymum, did you see the link I posted to the LGD library? THey have information on there for joining a message board of other similer breed owners. Its possible this is something breed typical (It wouldn't surprise me). I'm not sure if the group is still active, but at least some of the link out are. Also did you try asking the breeder for help to see if they can suggest anything?

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I can tell you from personal experience that LGDs in general can have some really odd quirks. I hope that its either a phase you can work him out of, or that the LGD dolks will have some ideas for you!
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I can tell you from personal experience that LGDs in general can have some really odd quirks. I hope that its either a phase you can work him out of, or that the LGD dolks will have some ideas for you!
That should read Folks not "dolks", no I can't type some days.....
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I personally don't think it's very strange that he isn't taking cues from your dogs right off the bat. It sounds like he is of a breed with a higher prey drive, and as I have read many times on these forums, some puppies can get more excited when they are "corrected" by other dogs or their humans. I think that the best thing to do in this situation is to restrict and monitor him a little more closely. Think keeping him leashed in the house to you, or putting him in his area when things are getting a little too rough so that he can calm down and your Pyr can relax a little bit. As I mentioned before, providing a little stimulation could be really helpful in this case. Flirt poles are always recommended on these forums, and for good reason. Try and get a little 5-10 minute session with a flirt pole outside a few times a day. You can make your own really easily- mine's just a longe rope with an unstuffed-stuffy at the end. Taking dogs on a walk together can also help create a bond. I'm not sure how old your puppy is, but after his first round of shots when he's 16 weeks or older, you should start doing this. I feel like a big reason why he is ignoring dog and human cues could be his high energy level. What's your exercise routine for him? And is there any way you could record pup doing this?
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I like the leashed in the house idea, I've used it for other issues.

LGDs are highly stubborn. I don't know why he's fixated on the Pyr as a chew toy, but I have to admit that his refusal to accept correction is not atypical.
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We've 40 acres of land an acre of which is fenced for the dogs during the day. When we come home we take the pyr and the pup out to the chicken run/coop. It's a fair walk from the house and then they explore around/inside the poultry area. Our dogs don't leave our property pretty much ever. No need. They're farm dogs.

He's far improved with his behavior towards us but he's still gnawing at the pyr something awful. At the same time he seems to worship the pyr. We've 3 other dogs he could play with/torment but he chooses the pyr the majority of the time. He follows and emulates him. If he didn't chew the hell outta him they'd be best friends by now.

Thought I'd give an example of the type of correction and what happens. When our pyr got his man parts bit he had been laying down. He jumped up and grabbed the pup by the neck and put him down. Pup laid passively so pyr let him go and sat down. Pup immediately went back to chewing on the pyr except now the pyr is pissed off at the pup and growling and showing teeth. I intervened for fear the pyr might do the pup some serious harm. Can't say I'd blame him after having his manly bits chomped.

Mostly the pyr is sitting or laying down and the pup is gnawing at him. When the pyr is done being chewed on he bares his teeth at the pup who ignores him and then the pyr seeks refuge with me. I do always grant refuge to him. I don't force him to allow himself to be a chew toy.

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I personally don't think it's very strange that he isn't taking cues from your dogs right off the bat. It sounds like he is of a breed with a higher prey drive, and as I have read many times on these forums, some puppies can get more excited when they are "corrected" by other dogs or their humans. I think that the best thing to do in this situation is to restrict and monitor him a little more closely. Think keeping him leashed in the house to you, or putting him in his area when things are getting a little too rough so that he can calm down and your Pyr can relax a little bit. As I mentioned before, providing a little stimulation could be really helpful in this case. Flirt poles are always recommended on these forums, and for good reason. Try and get a little 5-10 minute session with a flirt pole outside a few times a day. You can make your own really easily- mine's just a longe rope with an unstuffed-stuffy at the end. Taking dogs on a walk together can also help create a bond. I'm not sure how old your puppy is, but after his first round of shots when he's 16 weeks or older, you should start doing this. I feel like a big reason why he is ignoring dog and human cues could be his high energy level. What's your exercise routine for him? And is there any way you could record pup doing this?
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Sounds like a great setup for the pups.

You mentioned that Jiki is good at raising puppies, maybe that's why the little man took to him over your other dogs. Maybe he's more tolerant than the others? If I were you, I'd try to intervene before the chewing escalates to the point where your Pyrenees has to show his teeth. I'd say that pretty much any time the play doesn't seem to be coming from both sides, distract the puppy with a command/one on one play. Treat him the minute he sits down and leaves Jiki alone, and engage in some sort of activity like tug-a-war. If he continues to go for it, calmly pick him up and put him in his gated off area.
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He is tolerant. Our St Bernard is pretty tolerant but he simply gets up and moves when he's done. It's true for everything. I can get to grooming the long haired dogs, trimming and cutting knotted hair, and the pyr will never move. The St tolerates it for awhile and then moves when he's through. So the pup plays with the St occassionaly but mostly he's on the pyr.

Problem is our pyr never plays. The only time I see him "playing" is when it's snowed and then he runs around like it's Christmas. Otherwise he doesn't play with us and he doesn't play with the other dogs. So no play will ever be 2 way with him.

It's getting better as the pup has started playing with our 2 year old more. This gives Jiki a break from puppy duty. Pup is getting more independant as well.

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Sounds like a great setup for the pups.

You mentioned that Jiki is good at raising puppies, maybe that's why the little man took to him over your other dogs. Maybe he's more tolerant than the others? If I were you, I'd try to intervene before the chewing escalates to the point where your Pyrenees has to show his teeth. I'd say that pretty much any time the play doesn't seem to be coming from both sides, distract the puppy with a command/one on one play. Treat him the minute he sits down and leaves Jiki alone, and engage in some sort of activity like tug-a-war. If he continues to go for it, calmly pick him up and put him in his gated off area.
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