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Old 01-27-2012, 11:15 PM
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Please read up on the signs that she is having trouble giving birth. It worries me that it's her first litter, she's so young and that youlive in a very remote area. Not knowing the signs that she's having trouble delivering puppies (or that she's even in labor) could kill her. And start saving $$ in case she needs an emergency C-section. Hopefully she has a primary vet who is aware of her situation and prepared to help you with the birthing process.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:50 PM
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vets are horribly expensive

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Please read up on the signs that she is having trouble giving birth. It worries me that it's her first litter, she's so young and that youlive in a very remote area. Not knowing the signs that she's having trouble delivering puppies (or that she's even in labor) could kill her. And start saving $$ in case she needs an emergency C-section. Hopefully she has a primary vet who is aware of her situation and prepared to help you with the birthing process.
Hi, I posted that we have kept my dog confined, it was a very weird thing that happened that I can't even believe myself. My dog does not roam around, but is very confined to the house or the deck. I will take her on walks around the lake 3 times a week. I have had three dogs and nothing has happened like this before. What the hell did they do for 10,000 years without a vet. They let there dogs have there pups. I believe this one had to be meant to be. Period. I can't afford a vet. Nor do I believe in abortion either. I think people are taking this way out of context, even after I told everyone here how strange this whole ordeal was. I don't even think some here have even read my actual post. I got what I liked and I am definelty leaving the rest. Last post for sure.
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You can't afford a vet?! You ASKED if you should abort...the answer has been yes, you don't like that answer itsclear...but you did ask for opinions and got them
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Domesticated dogs have been aided in giving birth by humans since we started domesticating them. In the wild wolves that have birthing difficultiers die, and so they never produce any offspring and only the ones that don't have difficulties are able to breed - meaning that they don't encounter as much problems as domestic dogs. A lot of dog breeds have difficulties giving birth because of changes we have done to them through selective breeding. It would be a shame if your dog died because of your ignorance, I mean take a look here: So you want to be a breeder? There are a lot of things that can goo wrong and kill her, espetially since she is so young.

Now what you said isn't suprising at all. I've seen many dogs jump fences, climb walls..ect..ect to get to a mate. The single most important thing in the world of biology is to breed. Everything on this plannet is biologically wired too make babies. Before my girl was spayed (we hav a male GS not neutered) she went into heat so we had to keep her kenneled, our male kept chewing at her cage (chain linked fence) and he wwas so determined to breed with her he didn't care that he was chewing the wire until his mouth bled, and he kept going. Finally we had to chain him up so he wouldn't get to her (and stop hurting himself) and even then jhe was still trying. I've also seen dogs mate through fences. Breeding is the strongest drive in the animal kingdom, so what happened is not weird at all.

Honestly I hope she isn't carrying and it's a false pregnancy (meaning she acts like she is pregnant but she isn't) so that you would have no problem gettingg her spayed, and that this situatiopn wouldn't arise again.

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What the hell did they do for 10,000 years without a vet. They let there dogs have there pups.

Yes, they let THEIR * dogs have puppies and did not care if they died... just like women died during child birth back in the day more often because of inferior medical care. You'd want to see a doctor if you were having trouble giving birth, wouldn't you?

Confined or not, if you think she's pregnant than you didn't protect her enough. I hope for her sake that she's not. Vets are really only very expensive when emergency issues arise. A spay would have cost you a lot less than a C-section if, god forbid, she were to need one.

Nothing in my post warranted your response, I was giving you VERY GOOD and HELPFUL advice on what to research next in case you needed it and wasn't even judging you for the fact that your dog is in this situation and shouldn't be. I'm sorry you don't understand how serious a dystocia can be. All I told you was to know what to look for in case she needed emergency surgery that she'd certainly die without.

This wasn't getting very heated until that irrational response. I wouldn't have wasted my time trying to help you if you were just going to be inflammatory about the good advice you were given.

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Realistically, we are not going to convince people to change their minds about the puppy over population issue if we get into heated discussions like this, which make people feel bad.

Maybe we could be of help by recommending books or websites about canine pregnancy, whelping and puppy raising. Does anyone have any links?

Here is an opportunity to help a person who has reached out to us. Maybe we can make something positive happen.
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I don't mean this in a mean way at all, but if you are planning to let your dog have puppies and you cannot afford a vet ... you need to start putting some money aside asap for veterinary care, quality food to feed thoughout her pregnancy and while nursing pups, emergencies that may arise and veterinary care for the puppies (shots, deworm, health exams etc.) because it can get quite costly very quickly. If you cannot do this I highly recommend re-considering letting her have this litter.

If you are set on going through with letting her have the puppies, I would like to provide you with some very good information that you are going to need.

1) workbook - this one is about gives you all the information on letting your family pet become a mother - from cost to complications. It's worth the read to prepare yourself in the beginning for what could happen.

2) Blue Knight Labradors - Fading Puppy, or Failure To Thrive Syndrome - This one is about fading puppy syndrome. Not sure what that is? Please give it a read.

3) birth and developmental anonymalies - Possible birth defects and abnormalties.

Please speak to your veterinarian regarding nutrition for your dog during pregnancy and lactation. Your veterinary team should be able to work to provide quality nutrition while still being affordable for your budget. She is doing to need a high quality puppy food that's AAFCO statement says something like "for growth and lactation" during her last trimester. Lactation is going to place a lot stress on the nutritional demands and those nutritional requirments can greatly increase. The growth/puppy diet still needs to be fed (at lib) and a lot of fresh water will need to be supplied.

When the puppies do arrive, colostrum is very important to them because it contains antibodies from their mother that provide early protection for the puppies (until first vaccinations - speak to your vet about starting their vaccine program). When nursing, puppies should be vigorous and active. Those that are not recieving enough milk will cry, become restless or extremely inactive and fail to achieve expected weight gain (about 2-4g/day/kg of anticipated adult weight or 10% per day).

Since she is a young mother, there is the possibility she may not know what to do or may reject the puppies. You will need to get a formula from your veterinarian. The formula should be warmed (37.8C) before feeding. Your veterinarian should help you with the caloric needs of each puppy. All equipment should be sterilized prior to feeding. Your veterinarian will discuss with you how to feed them, store the formula, discard after so many hours if not used and of course after feeding you will need to stimulate the puppies with a warm moist cotton wool/cloth to urinate/defecate. By 3 weeks they should be to relieve themselves.

Your veterinarian can discuss with you when to start introducting solid foods, but puppies should NEVER go to new homes before 8 weeks of age! 8 weeks of age is behavioral weaning and it's a very important stage. Reputable breeders will not let a puppy go to its new home before this age because it does not have good outcomes.

Prior to her being bred, had her vaccinations been up to date? Also speak to your veterinarian about de-worming to prevent transmission of parasites (transplental and transmammary) as well as vaccines and deworming for the puppies at appropriate ages.

If things are very tight financially, please do consider aborting the litter because having a litter of puppies is not going to be cheap, and it is a lot of work. Please do consider spaying the dog after the litter is weaned if this is what you chose to do. There are spay/neuter clinics that are at reduced costs that help people in difficult financial situations spay/neuter their pets. Even talk to your veterinarian - if you are a regular client you may be able to make payments on a spay. I'm sorry to say but there is no reason this should have happened with so many resources available to spay and neuter pets - but it did and now its important that you know all the information before making a decision.
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Realistically, we are not going to convince people to change their minds about the puppy over population issue if we get into heated discussions like this, which make people feel bad.

Maybe we could be of help by recommending books or websites about canine pregnancy, whelping and puppy raising. Does anyone have any links?

Here is an opportunity to help a person who has reached out to us. Maybe we can make something positive happen.
I agree 100% we cannot change the past about what has happened.

I put a small post together on what I can pull off the top of my head after, just waking up after a very long shift. I have some errands to run today but I would like to put a good informaiton post together for the OP that should cover most things they will need to know. I did post a few links for some good reading.
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Here is an opportunity to help a person who has reached out to us. Maybe we can make something positive happen.

I tried, I gave her the advice she needed. She didn't want to be bothered. D-O-N-E. I just hope the dog survives the birthing.


Sometimes people come looking for one specific answer or a quick fix and when the don't get it, they get annoyed. As Pawz said, she asked for advice and got mad. I can't be bothered.
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