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Old 04-14-2014, 07:16 PM
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Help please im going crazy with this puppy!!!

Problem # 1: March 2nd we got an 8 week old beagle puppy. We had to start indoor potty training because of the snow on the ground and the freezing temps outside. I Have tried this week to take him outside for potty. I am out for over an hour each time and he REFUSES to pee or poop outside. When we get back inside he goes to the paper and pees. How can I get him to go outside?? During the day he is gated in the kitchen with a bed, water , toys and pee pads. I did this because when we first got him it was the best thing for work schedules. He is never left for more than 4 hours at a time and that is rare.

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He is crated at night in our bedroom. This has been the routine since we brought him home. His water is picked up at 8pm. He pees on pee pad at 9:45 then in the crate. He wakes up around 3 am every night whining. I take him to the paper, and he pees ALOT so he obviously has to go. How can I get him to sleep through the night?

I really need advice because I am a hot mess with the training and I dont want to mess this up which I think I already did. I have 2 other dogs but they were "summer" dogs so they were potty trained to go outside from day 1.
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:37 PM
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You've discovered the biggest problem with pee pad training, it handicaps you when you want to train the pup, or dog, to potty outside.

2 things you can try are:

1. Go back to housetraining 101. Pick up all the pee pads and do not give him access to them, then put him on a potty schedule. Take him out as you would have if you had trained him to potty outside, if he doesn't go in 10 min bring him inside and put him in his crate, wait 5 to 20 minutes (depends on when he last pottied) and bring him back outside. Do that till he potties then praise him and pop a very high value treat in his mouth as soon as he's finished, bring him back in, give him his freedom, then repeat the above at the next scheduled potty break.

2. Start moving the potty pads closer to the door you go out to take them to potty. Once you get it to the door move it outside and encourage him to use it there. Once he's pottying on the pad outside start making the pad smaller. The idea is to shrink the pad till he's peeing on the grass then stop putting the pad down.

He may not be able to sleep though the night without pottying yet. He's still really young, give him a couple weeks and see if he stops on his own. I think he will.
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I had to use pee pads with Chase, but he loved being outside so the transition wasn't hard.

What is your puppy's FAVORITE treat? How about you save that treat and puppy ONLY gets it when he pees outside? You may have to wait for awhile, but once he does, praise him and give him that to-die-for treat.
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This is why winter pups are tough, but it's much easier to suck it up and do it right from the get-go. Hindsight being 20/20, @CadenceDiscordia recently had success transferring her pup from pee pads to an "outside"/potty patch. (Traditional crate training). Maybe she can help.

You'll want to be firm but expect some stress at first. The reason he isn't going outside is that he has no idea that's what he's supposed to do-since the habit has been ingrained that paper is where he goes. I don't suggest standing outside for an hour. That just frustrates you. Give him 10 minutes. Then its back inside: tethered, on lap, crated. NO FREE ROAM of the house until successful housebreaking for at least a month. Expect some crossover and some accidents since he has been trained that potty inside is okay.

I'm gauging by your gotcha date he's 12-14 weeks. This is still easily trainable, but most puppies still don't have adequate control until at least 4-6 months, so don't be afraid to crate him when you can't watch him.

Give it a few weeks AT LEAST. It will take time but he will get it.
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You have a couple options with regards to the papers.

Option 1: Remove the pads completely and be patient with him. Treat and praise for each successful potty. When you're inside be vigilant and watch him. The key is preventing an accident, rather than finding messes after the fact.

Option 2: Slowly moves the pads from where they are right now to outside. Once your pup is using them reliably outside, work on removing them entirely.

Option 3: This is a hybrid of the previous options. Remove the pads from inside, but put a pad outside until your pup is reliable then slowly phase out the pad all together.

My situation with the potty training was a little different. I live in an apartment and bought a fake grass patch to use inside. After unsuccessful training inside, I moved it outside cold turkey style and taught him to ring a bell when he needs to go out.

As for needing to go in the middle of the night. Set an alarm for before he usually wakes up (say 2:30 AM). Give him say three days of getting up at 2:30, then change your alarm to 3 AM for three more days, etc until your pup is sleeping through the night and only getting up at your morning alarm. Yes, it'll be brutal for a while, but you'll be glad when your pup sleeps through the night easily. : )

I hope I covered everything!
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Some things I just thought of:
1. Definitely have eyes on him at all times when he isn't crated. I would suggest crating him during the day when he can't he supervised, but that's my personal preference. At first, you'll probably want to tether him to you or leave him in the small space he usially goes when you leave him during work. That way you can catch him before he pees or poops in the house.

2. When I moved the potty patch outside, it forced me to learn Merlin's potty schedule. I can fairly accurately predict when he needs to pee and poop. Getting a bell for him to ring was probably one of the best decisions I've made, because he can just ring it to let me know he needs to potty.

3. If the transition is really difficult for him you may want to consider moving some of his pee and poop outside or buying a housebreaking spray to show him where you want him to go. Sometimes all it takes is a little boost to get him to realize that "this is where J need to go." I also taught my pup a command for pee and poop so he knows what I mean when I tell him to go pee or go poop.

4. Make sure to always play with him outside after he's done his business. Use it as a reward if you want. It'll help reinforce that pottying out side means fun stuff hapoens.
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@CadenceDiscordia, how did you teach him to ring the bell?
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I have one quick suggest, you've already gotten some great tips. Maybe you can start by taking him out for his 3 am potty break since he has to potty so bad at that time...then lots and lots of praise and his favorite treat. Good luck...it takes patients, especially after using pee pads.
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@CadenceDiscordia, how did you teach him to ring the bell?
First, I hung the bell on the door he goes out through.
Next, every time I took him out I tapped his paw against the bell amd said let's go potty.
Then I immediately took him out to his potty area to do his business.
Merlin caught on really quickly.
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