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Old 05-19-2011, 09:51 AM
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Question German Pinscher puppy - moving to raw - less protein?!?!

Hi,

I have a 10 week old German Pinscher puppy and next week we're thinking of starting him on raw meaty bones. The breeder was feeding him Iams Large Breed puppy and she said that if we change to a different kibble, to make sure the protein content is not too high or the dog will grow too fast.
I had heard of these problems with giant breeds, maybe even large breeds, but it's hard for me to consider German Pinschers as a large breed... they're medium sized dogs, 40 lbs max.

Should I feed less protein with a raw meaty bone diet or simply follow the usual guidelines for puppies on RMBs? And if I should feed less protein, what should I replace it with? I don't really want to feed carbs, but I'm okay with some veggies.

Thank you.
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Do your research first.
One can raise even large breed dogs on a raw diet.

Here is a place to start.
Leerburg | Feeding a Raw Diet

There are a lot of resources out there, and if you do enough reading, you'll soon know more about dog nutrition than your breeder. There are many books out there as well as on-line resources
Amazon.com: Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats (9781561706365): Kymythy Schultze: Books Amazon.com: Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats (9781561706365): Kymythy Schultze: Books


Amazon.com: Work Wonders: Feed Your Dog Raw Meaty Bones (9780975717400): Tom Lonsdale: Books Amazon.com: Work Wonders: Feed Your Dog Raw Meaty Bones (9780975717400): Tom Lonsdale: Books

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Not to hijack your thread, but how is your GP? I wanted to get one, but as it would be my first dog, most of the members told me to stay away from a GP as they are a working breed and would be too high energy and too difficult to train for a newbie like me. Can you tell me about his temperment? Seperation anxiety? Do you work during the day, or is the dog with someone constantly?
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I've only had him less than 2 weeks thus far, so take things with a grain of salt.

They require an occupation. My puppy does way better with some sort of training, even if it's just 2 sessions of 5 minutes. He's very smart, he got SIT really fast, even grasped that he won't get any food by jumping up. Even when giving him food he desperately wants, after 5 jumps he'll get that jumping isn't getting him anywhere. He's starting to get DOWN, but I seem to be hopeless at teaching STAND. Again, we started doing some training a week ago... I think it's pretty good.

The breeder did a pretty good job, he gets excited but even when I get him worked up, his bites are definitely not painful at all. I still go OUCH because I'm trying to deter him further. My puppy even gets the concept of OFF and he learnt to only go for a toy if I say TAKE... we started that yesterday and he's already quite reliable with that.

I think they're very smart dogs, my puppy seems very eager to please. However, it will all greatly depend on me. But he doesn't seem at all difficult to train.

Separation anxiety... new puppy, new place, of course he was stressed. I haven't done too much proper crate training yet and we had an ineffectual exercise pen that had no top so my puppy managed to climb over it to escape. Now that we have a proper exercise pen with a top and big enough (5'x5' and 4' high), he will quiet down after 5 minutes of yapping. If we go out of the room, he will yap for a while, but eventually settle down. Same as when we leave him alone. He eventually just runs out of steam after 10 minutes and just goes to sleep. Once I do some proper crate training and slowing get him used to my disappearing out of view, I expect a lot less yapping. I definitely wouldn't say that he has any separation anxiety. I leave the apartment, come back after 15 minutes and he's lying down or chasing after treats in the crate.

He has a lot of energy at times, if I play with him he gets even more excited, but then he'll sleep most of the day with no problems... An example schedule today thus far:

- Last night he fell asleep around 9pm
- Woke up around 11pm when boyfriend came home, got some food, went outside and peed/pooed.
- Passed out around 12am
- Woke up around 4:50am and we went outside for a pee/poo
- we trained for a wee bit and then he went to sleep until 9am
- went to pee and poo at 9am and did a bit of training after
- he was up in and out of his cage until around 12:30pm - probably he slept or lied down half the time
- went outside at 12:30pm and walked a bit
- puppy complained for 10 minutes, but then went to sleep around 1pm
- woke up wanting attention at 3pm - played with him a bit and gave him some chew stix - he's on the floor chewing like a madman and doesn't even know I exist, LOL

It's a matter of keeping him occupied. He needs the training more than the physical exercise, but we give him that as well.

I don't know where you've heard that GPs are hard to train or have separation anxiety. Most of the breeders I've talked to have described GPs as animals that need training throughout their lives and puzzle games because they need a job... and things that occupy their minds are the best "jobs" for them. They can handle running every day with you, but also can chill with you on the couch when they get back in. And so far, I've found their descriptions to be very accurate.
I heard from one breeder that bought an adult GP that was a complete nightmare and menace... but that goes to show that early training and proper handling are very important, no matter the breed.

Again, only had my GP for less than 2 weeks, take everything with a grain of salt .
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I think the issue was that I work full time, and so the dog would be home alone for longer periods of time. And as they are a working breed, they would not be very happy being alone for such a long period of time. Im very interested in hearing about how your pup progresses. Please keep me updated!
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