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Old 10-10-2015, 04:12 PM
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first night(s) crate training questions

im going to start crate training my new puppy Kaiya from day one when I get her at 8.5 weeks. I am wondering a bit about what I should expect giving the following

I will have her in a small plastic crate in my room, with a blanket and a stuffy I have rubbed on her siblings/ mom, and a nylabone. I will be picking her up in the morning and will spend the day tiring her out and also playing crate games etc to make her used to it.

I am worried because I live in a semi, though tbh the neighbours dog barks all day every day anyways .. I was actually thinking I should go over and give them a heads up and apologize a head of time.. im not sure lol, never even met them.

so a few questions also;

-Night one should I sleep on the floor beside her crate, then night too move to my bed (crate right beside bed)?

-should I say shush or quiet or just ignore the noise she makes (if she has just gone out that is)

- should I try and keep her up a little in the day and if so how much because I know that they do need to sleep a lot but between that and exercise I figure if she is tired she should sleep better?

- should I put my fingers through the bars or something so she can touch me , or would that just be asking for problems.


I will be bringing her to work with me after my week off and she will be crated and I am in and out of the office (minutes, not hours) so I don't want her to get too used to me being right beside her at all times. I do plan to simulate leaving longer and longer times with in reason ,after the crate games progress to the point of me leaving. that week the crate will be my main training focus I think.

one last question; best crate games/ exercises?

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Old 10-10-2015, 05:51 PM
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Expect the unexpected

I wouldn't sleep on the floor. I'd sleep in my bed. What worked for my puppies was - ignoring little noises, if the pup made a lot of noise he would be taken out in the garden on a lead. I wouldn't say anything, just put a collar and lead on, into the garden and wait. If he relieved himself he was praised and back to bed. If he didn't, we'd wait a little longer and then back to bed, without a word. That way my puppies learnt that nights are not for playing but for resting.

Re barking - might be an idea to tell the neighbours that a puppy is coming and there maybe some noise but you will be working on it.

I wouldn't deprive the pup of sleep during the day - she might become overtired and grumpy.

I would start leaving the pup alone from the minute she entered my house, not waiting a week. Starting with few seconds and extending it to minutes.

Hope you have signed her up for a puppy socialisation and trading class run by a positive reinforcement trainer. Good trainers have waiting lists and you want to start training asap. She probably will only need her first vaccination for the class.

Also remember not to overstimulate her and teach her to relax.

Have fun.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:01 PM
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Hope you have signed her up for a puppy socialisation and trading class run by a positive reinforcement trainer. Good trainers have waiting lists and you want to start training asap. She probably will only need her first vaccination for the class.
I have been trying for a few weeks, before I had even found the puppy. I live in a small town (next town away is 4 hours) and there are only two trainers here. one home business and was is the kennel club. Because i'm getting her end of November i'm kinda screwed because they both don't start any classes until January. They start some classes at the end of oct and they end around when I get her. The Home business offered private classes in my home but my other half doesn't like people he doesn't know coming over as he has some expensive things .. anyways.. i'm stuck waiting till January classes start and I will be going with the kennel club.
Its actually very upsetting, but i'm making a list of all the people we know to visit/ have over . most have dogs and or children. one has a big beard. when she starts coming to work after the first week she will see tons of people come into my office and no end of chance to meet people.

so she would be around 3 or 3.5 months old and 1 or 1.5 months of being with me before I can start her formal training.. but I will be doing my best at from from research...
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Generally I would not recommend shushing her if she starts making noise. Any attention for an attention-seeking behavior is still attention. It will likely take some time for her to learn to enjoy her crate, so try not to get frustrated.

Truth be told, my last pup was a big wailing baby the first night I brought him home. I did end up moving the crate next to my bed and leaving my fingers through the bars as I slept. After that he never made a peep. He knew I was there. He was a really smart cookie. I miss him. I would also not really recommend that, as it could encourage attention-seeking behavior as well. My boy was my own special case since he was a 12-week old rescue.
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Generally I would not recommend shushing her if she starts making noise. Any attention for an attention-seeking behavior is still attention. It will likely take some time for her to learn to enjoy her crate, so try not to get frustrated.
I'm sure it will be fine, I don't get frustrated easy
I'm just trying to make sure I ask everything I think of so when it comes to it, I make the right choices

I will sleep in my bed , and not shush her then
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3.5 months is a fine age to start a puppy class, especially if she'll get other socialization before then.

Be sure to be as varied as possible. You've got a wide range of people covered, but also include different animals, locations, and noises as well.

The most important thing is to keep it all positive. Lots of treats and fun things when she's having these new experiences. If she seems nervous, don't force it, but back away to give her some space and reward her just for looking at the offender. You can work on getting closer later.

For the crate, I'd second @Larkspur and just stick your fingers in there if it ever comforts her.

Maybe you could give your neighbors a gift card or food basket or something, as an act of goodwill and a pre-apology for any puppy noises? It doesn't have to be expensive, but they may be more tolerant if they know you're aware of their feelings too
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I'd set an alarm for all 2-3 hours to let the dog outside. a lot of the puppies don't make it through the night yet.
Don't overdo it with training or action, puppies need a lot of sleep and coming to a new house is very tiring for them at it is.
during the day put them on their blanket and interact with them there in a way that feels good for them. like cuddling or calm playing...no exited behaviour on the blanket though.
Don't close the door in the first nights... leave it open. the dog doesn't know the cage yet, so there's a possibility for them to panic, when they notice that they're trapped. You don't want that because you want that the dog connect positive things with the cage.
go to be sleep...even if they don't stay in the cage, they will settle down somewhere in the room at some point when they notice that you're sleeping.
be patient, sometimes it can take a few nights until they get it.

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A gift card is a great idea.. Around here everyone looovvesss timmies ( tim hortons coffee shop)
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The first few nights I brought my Samoyed puppy Albert home were very rough. I wasn't sure whether to ignore him, go in there, talk to him..there was so much conflicting info out there. It took me calling my breeder at 3 am after the 3rd night before my fiancÚ and I finally got a full night's sleep and it's been that way ever since. Here are some tips that worked for us, and our breed of dog:

- Play with her as you normally would throughout the day. Don't try to tire her out or she may get overtired which leads them to whining and being restless. It's weird I know but even my breeder mentioned it to me so I just do normal training and playing sessions.

- Try feeding her in her crate so she knows from the very beginning that the crate is a safe place where good things happen. Make sure to leave the door open while she eats.

- Leave the crate open for her all day, every day so she gets used to it and knows it's safe. Albert started sleeping much better when I did this because he would sleep in the crate during the day as well. Don't force her in (until it's bed time and she has no choice).

- Cover the crate on all 3 sides with some sort of blanket but keep the front of it exposed. It appears more like a den to them.

- Play some sort of music or background noise. We usually keep some white noise playing if we don't have the dishwasher or laundry going. They really only need this for when they're going to sleep, not the whole night unless they constantly wake up. Albert doesn't like utter silence when he goes to sleep. To puppies, silence can be terrifying, especially in a new home.

- If she whines, let her be. She'll tire out. If she barks for a few minutes. Let it go. If it is incessant tell her to be quiet from your room (if it's close enough). Don't go near the crate or she'll learn that you'll come when she barks.

- That being said, we never brought his crate to our room. From the very beginning we wanted Albert to learn to be independent and sleep on his own. He learned right away that we'd always come back in the morning

- The first few nights since he didn't sleep long due to anxiety he woke up every 2 hours to pee. If she's sleeping all night, leave her until morning. If she's waking up every 2 hours she might have to go. If it's every 30 minutes she's just seeking attention. Albert slept through the night after that 3rd day.

- If all this fails, on her first night she might be especially upset which is understandable. If you want to teach your dog to be independent but still want to comfort her, do what our breeder told us to do: sleep in the room where her crate is so that you are within view but be a good distance away. Let her see you're there but don't go near the crate. If she whines a little that's okay but if she starts to bark, gently tell her to "be quiet" and to "go to sleep." Albert only need to hear the command once for him to settle down to sleep again. We stayed on the couch 2 more nights just in case so that we could immediately correct the behavior but after that he's been just fine! I just wish he'd be as calm and quiet as he is in his crate, everywhere else.

P.S. - Make sure you keep an eye on the stuffy you have for her. You never mentioned her breed but Samoyed's can be destructive and I witnessed Albert rip the eyes off his stuffy the first day so he only gets a knuckle bone to chew on in the crate without supervision.




Good luck with everything!
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