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Old 04-19-2012, 09:55 PM
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Five benefits have been observed in canines who were exposed to the Bio Sensor stimulation exercises. The benefits noted were:
1) Improved cardiovascular performance (heart rate).
2) Stronger heartbeats.
3) Stronger adrenal glands.
4) More tolerance to stress
5) Greater resistance to disease.

This is verbatim what was in your original post. I totally missed the "Greater resistance to disease" because I'd like to see proof of that as well.

See all of the MEDICINE posted in that? Holding a puppy upside down or putting a wet towel on it is NOT going to affect ANY of that. And you've shown no proof that it can or does. So please do NOT mislead people into thinking they are "making their pets medically healthier" by having them do a little jig on their heads unless you can back it up.


Next thing you know people will be taking their 10 year old Cockers with CHF and holding them on their heads with wet towels to "Improve their cardiovascular performance" and wonder why they suddenly go into respiratory distress...


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I haven't boasted medical anything. I stated I didn't know if that worked or not. I did say I have seen the improvement in nerve and drives.
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Why does this have to be scientifically proven? .
The fact that you think this way is the problem with all your posts and why you are not getting along with established members here.

I will tell you now, firmly. That this forum prides itself on accuracy and proof. We do not preach mumbo jumbo here. Dogs are not a religion.

So while there can be variation, facts are facts and opinions that are stated as fact are not recieved well here. This is a board of knowlegable skeptics that demand proof of things, if that bothers people feel free to move on and discuss dominance and striking puppies for peeing inside and other nonsense on other boards.
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other boards.
I do not know how many other boards she posts on, do know of one where she made her claim and did not bother to respond to my question:

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I found this. It is referenced on the Early Neurological Stimulation

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org.../1/42.full.pdf

This is a very interesting article. I would simply point out it is dated 1958, (and citations go back to 1935) and appears to be some early work on concepts about puppy development. Its not up to date, but it is intriguing, especially from an historical perspective, of the science as it was developing.

I would agree with Holly there is nothing in there that resembles scientific proof of medical benefits of handling routines.
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I do not know how many other boards she posts on, do know of one where she made her claim and did not bother to respond to my question:
Ha! Only 4 responses over there! No fight at all in that group.

Perhaps our problem is we are reinforcing too much here with our attention?

OR

We just have this problem?



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Yes I posted it on that other forum. Since you asked the same question there I did not answer it since I am trying to get answers here.

I am still waiting for a reply. I just emailed them yesterday.

I never thought by posting that it would cause such a controversy.
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Ha! Only 4 responses over there! No fight at all in that group.

Perhaps our problem is we are reinforcing too much here with our attention?

OR

We just have this problem?



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Yes, and it is my fault for actually wanting to learn something new. Shame on me.

I'll stick to just trying to ignore when garbage is posted unless I think it's harmful medical advice. Ugh.
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Yes I posted it on that other forum. Since you asked the same question there I did not answer it since I am trying to get answers here.

I am still waiting for a reply. I just emailed them yesterday.

I never thought by posting that it would cause such a controversy.



Don't bother. I will no longer believe anything you post and claim is a "response" from them.

And the only controversy is your lack of reliable sources which were only important since outlandish claims were made and some people were genuinely interested in how they came about. I'm not sure what "answers" you're trying to get here since you didn't actually post a question, but the answer I'll give you after all of this is:

"This method is garbage and does nothing for the animals medically. If you think dancing your puppies on their heads on a cold wet towel gives them more benefit than normal socialization, then I have a bridge to sell you."



I warn everyone to question anything you post that claims to contain facts... especially medically advice, because I think you'll lead good people astray.


That is all.

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Lynnmarie, I am actually interested in the reply you get, so please post it.

For the ones who don't believe it has any benefit, do you have experience with military or detection dogs that have been through the super dog program?

As I stated before, medically, I have no proof of any health benefits. Since the dogs I have seen and worked with that went through the program were specifically bred for superior health, I can't say there is or isn't a difference.
However for nerve, problem solving, faster learning, more stable dogs, it actually does work. I have seen this with dutch shepherds and malinois.

When done from day three to day sixteen, as the program states, I doubt you would need to worry about someone with a chf dog suffering from this.
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