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This is a discussion on Early Neurological Stimulation within the Puppy Help forums, part of the Dog Training and Behavior category; Originally Posted by Criosphynx Ime this poster is not terribly interested in Proved science. Posted via Mobile Device Took me a while, but I've now ...

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Old 04-19-2012, 06:25 PM
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Took me a while, but I've now learned that with frustration. Thanks though.
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Adrenal glands are funny things. Remove one and you get a dip in production obviously. But wait and the remaining will over produce to bring it back to normal . Not to mention all the other factors

I wonder is som'one saw increased response and assumed they were "stronger". Whatever that means... Having a mediorce adrenal response has benefits...

I know a bit about mammalian stress response. It would seem all this would do is predispose the animal to diabetes or clogged arteries? From the medical angle that is

Behaviorally, sure handling makes animals more personable. Ive seen this presented in that light but medically, I dont see how inducing stress (not eustress) is of benefit?

Stress also affects any future fetuses and pups that animal would have, negatively...
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Why does this have to be scientifically proven? I am all for science but in this case, I have seen this work on puppies. Does it do all that it claims. I do not know. I do know that the 2 puppies that were low risk survivors lived by using this method. The rest of the puppies I did this with thrived great and were all well adjusted.

As soon as they reply to my email I will post their studies or lack of.
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Why does this have to be scientifically proven? .
You keep on asking those kinds of questions. It is as if you did not realize that your life, you dog's lives, your family's lives, are all better and safer because of science, because of this who gave their time and thought to conduct rigorous tests and win one small piece of knowledge at a time.

In the old days, dogs with mange were smeared with used engine oil. In the old days, dogs were beaten into obedience. In the old days, regular trips to the lake were made to drown puppies.

LynneMarie, do you really want the good old days back?
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Today the pups had no reaction to the cold towel. Half don't like to be on their backs or upside down. I really see a difference however, in week old pups. They are all over the whelping box. Not typical piled up together like normal litters.

The scent imprinting seems to make a difference too. All pups are raising up with cadaver, about half air scenting with the marijuana. I am surprised with how fast they show scenting at a distance.
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You keep on asking those kinds of questions. It is as if you did not realize that your life, you dog's lives, your family's lives, are all better and safer because of science, because of this who gave their time and thought to conduct rigorous tests and win one small piece of knowledge at a time.

In the old days, dogs with mange were smeared with used engine oil. In the old days, dogs were beaten into obedience. In the old days, regular trips to the lake were made to drown puppies.

LynneMarie, do you really want the good old days back?
Unfortunately a lot of what you wrote is still going on. As for the olden days this study was started in the late 50's and is still being practiced today with great results. I understand new medicine that was created, but this is not medicine. I am not knocking science. I love science and math. My best subjects in school.
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The military has been doing studies on this since the sixties. I don't have all the info on health benefits that you are wanting to see. Just performance. They did control groups. They still handled the pups. The super dog program has produced many more stable dogs, with better performance, that can handle stress better than the others.

It's common to get two out of ten top dogs in a litter. A friend in Alabama has began using the program. He had ten out of twelve on task forces or similar spots. The other two are with law.enforcement. next litter the same. That alone is amazing. If you deal with working dogs, and know the odds, there is no reason not to incorporate this program into handling and.socialization.
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Juliemule, you spend a lot of time talking it up on here for someone who doesn't have the time to go look for the facts they claim they have.
Just sayin '.
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Medical information I.doubt I have. You.can look it up as easy. Yes I am busy. We had six dogs in class today. I'm sorry if you don't believe it, don't use it. Or find it yourself. Try lackland. I believe auburn uses it as well.

Oh you are welcome.to cover vet costs, if you want to see the pups produced
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Medical information I.doubt I have.
Then please don't boast about the MEDICAL benefits that are not proven.
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Clearly NOT since I've been asking about it for SIX THREAD PAGES and all I've gotten is links to garbage containing NOTHING about the supposed medical benefits! If it's so easy to look up, how come it hasn't been posted yet but random websites having nothing to do with the question at hand have been?? You could have shut me up about 20 posts ago.

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I understand new medicine that was created, but this is not medicine
It IS MEDICINE if you are posting that the "Five Benefits" include ADRENAL STRENGTH AND IMPROVED CARDIAC WHATEVER. You can't get more MEDICINE than that...


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I am all for science but in this case, I have seen this work on puppies.
Yeah, how have you seen improvements in their adrenals and hearts?? Benefits that you claimed in your original post?


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I wonder is som'one saw increased response and assumed they were "stronger". Whatever that means...
That is my biggest question, as you obviously understood but others don't seem to be getting it... lol.


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Ive seen this presented in that light but medically, I dont see how inducing stress (not eustress) is of benefit?
Ditto.


Okay, thanks Crio and Lucille for not making me feel like I was crazy... Clearly there IS no actual research to back the MEDICAL CLAIMS and the medical claims are BOGUS.
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