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Old 04-18-2012, 10:44 PM
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It spoke about training (Pavlovian), and hip dysplasia and surgery etc. It mentioned nothing about what this thread was about (and therefore did not back up any of the claims mentioned).

I don't have enough time to go and research it... lol. Seems like a needle in a haystack, that's why I asked you guys to provide the evidence!
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:46 PM
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I have no idea about the health claims, but I have used this method on quite a few litters, and found them to be easier to handle, easier to train, react better to stress and are generally easier-going adults then those I didn't do it on.

Just my own personal observation.
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And I can fully believe that... because even normal handling will accomplish that.

Myself and a few others wished to see evidence to support the medical claims because they just didn't make sense (because you can't test the "strength" of an adrenal gland for crying out loud... ) and seemed like propaganda to make people think their dogs were healthier than a dog without this.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:56 PM
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Ah sorry, maybe it wasn't the right one. The health benefits, I don't know of any breeders who have tested half litters with and without to measure cardiac output, or adrenaline lol. Though they handle all the pups, and have split litters with the testing.
I agree any proper handling will help, but I have seen the super dog program to work well with problem solving skills and nerve, unless it is just coincidence, as the same litter will have great differences in siblings.
There are so many variables, its hard to know the whole on it.

On a side note, the growlers didn't fuss today lol.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:11 PM
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I don't know of any breeders who have tested half litters with and without to measure cardiac output, or adrenaline lol.
Someone must have to have that claim there! lol... I just want to see it!


Glad you think it makes a difference in your pups.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:14 AM
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. But I only have 13 at the moment. So what do I know.
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I have so many files, but not the time to check each one.
You have 13 dogs, and not enough time to even check information that you present here to your peers who asked for it.

I'm also glad that the info helps with your pups. I'm amazed you find the time to use it.....
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:59 AM
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You have 13 dogs, and not enough time to even check information that you present here to your peers who asked for it.

I'm also glad that the info helps with your pups. I'm amazed you find the time to use it.....
Yes I've read all the files, lucille, just didn't have time to go back through which one contained the scientific info holly was looking for.

Actually, I work and train the dogs five days a week, mostly all day. Of course I have time to use it. I also am working on event imprinting with pups, we will see how that goes.

Now, off to train lol.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:02 AM
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Oh and actually 15 dogs now. Though several will be leaving by the end of the month.
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Why is having evidence so important. Have a litter or find someone with a litter and test it out yourself.
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Why is having evidence so important. Have a litter or find someone with a litter and test it out yourself.
Seriously? You can't claim MEDICAL benefits and not have info to back it up. It's all about the potentially bogus MEDICAL benefits that are being claimed.


As I stated before, socialization, whether this method or anything else, will benefit the puppies in that sense. But please, do not claim medical benefits when you cannot prove them and they cannot have been tested.
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On another note, this started off as myself and a few others asking for proof of the study because we were genuinely interested in learning how they came to their conclusions because it was fascinating.

It turned out I was sent on a wild-goose chase through many links and literally hundreds of pages of garbage to try to further my knowledge.

Not worth it.


Whether you, juliemule, myself or a friend have a litter and do this method, my issue with it remains the same: The MEDICAL benefits will remain unfounded since you cannot test "Adrenal strength" and I doubt HIGHLY that echos were performed pre and post procedures to show improved cardiac function.


For once, I'm actually asking... BEGGING... to be proven wrong about the above statement.

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