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Old 03-15-2014, 06:19 PM
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Dad adopting 2 pit-x pups, advice please.

I am a teenager still in school. I live at home. My father is adopting two puppies at the same time early in april, they are cockerspaniel-pitbull mixes. We have never owned pit dogs before, only labs and lab mixes. I have no say in this! I have tried to convince him to get one but he is getting 2.

I have read about "littermate syndrome". I have read that pit bull mixes can be very dangerous to other pets in the house; we have two old cats and one young cat already. I know my father will be leaving their care mostly to me, because he's lazy and that's what he did with the other dogs we had but they will still be 'his dogs' and no I can't refuse to care for them. He will only buy their food and bring them to vet, I will be told to do everything else including feed. I am not old enough to move out.

Please give me advice on how I need to train these two pit mixes. What will I need that we don't have for normal dogs? I don't know how to manage two at once in experience, but I've read about it a little. He will not allow me to crate train, he says caging an animal is cruel, so I will need ways that don't rely on a crate. I am very worried!
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You have every right to be concerned. Here's another article on littermate syndrome:

Littermate Syndrome: The risky downside to raising sibling puppies | Jeff Stallings, CPDT-KA

A couple of days ago, I visited a local shelter and saw two four-month-old labs, obviously siblings, sharing a kennel together. Their feces were smeared across the cement floor. Obviously, some clueless owner thought he could raise them together. Four months later, he dumped them. Your dad is being a stubborn fool, and it looks like you're going to be the one paying the price for it.

I'm curious as to what happened to your other dogs. You're still a teenager, and your dad has had multiple dogs? Where did they go?
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I don't know. We had 3 dogs in my life, the first two went missing when I was 9 (I don't know what happened to them), the last one I raised myself until 2 months ago when he developed a kind of cancer and we had to put him to sleep. It was really sad, I loved Bo. Dad and my grandmother both say he had other dogs before I happened, but I never asked how they got raised or if there were two at once.
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I'm so sorry to hear about Bo. I was wondering if your dad had a habit of picking up dogs and then getting rid of them when they didn't work out for him.

Keep talking to him about littermate syndrome. It's quite common to have desperate dog owners show up here with five or six-month old siblings very much regretting that they took home more than one puppy. Here is one such thread:

https://www.dogforum.com/housetrainin...ssible-115338/

Those two dogs will be much better off in separate homes, and so will you.
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I'll try. When I first told him about it, he said I'd just have to raise them more carefully and he already made a deposit on them. But maybe they'll move the deposit for both puppies onto just one?
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Well, he can get ready to shell out for a new carpet when these dogs keep soiling it. Also dog aggression can become a real problem with littermates, and the breed your dad's planning to adopt is known for developing dog aggression issues in aolescence.
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Yea... I'm worried about that a lot. I don't know if I can handle two dogs wanting to fight all the time. And everything on littermate syndrome says that they're probably going to even if they're brothers or sisters. I don't even know if a pit bull is raised the same way a lab is.
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Personally I'd not get two puppies together, it's just way to much work.

Housetraining shouldn't be to hard as long as you are very vigilant about following the tips in this thread

You also have to be very vigilant about giving each pup separate experiences from the other. So you need to walk them separately, take them to different places separately, socialize them apart from each other, etc. If you don't do that you run the risk of them hyperbonding to each other and not caring very much about being with you. They become each others security blanket.

The other problem is that their being pit mixes there's a chance that they may develop dog aggression as they get older. Dog aggression is a rather large spectrum. They may end up loving each other but hating all other dogs, hate each other but be fine with other dogs, some pits tolerate other dogs as long as the dog is well behaved, there's really no telling until they enter adolescence. Then there are those that have no problems with other dogs. The same can be true for all breeds but pits tend to be more prone to dog aggression.

I wouldn't worry about your cats to much just be sure to give them a dog proof room, and to give them escape routes and high places so that they can watch the pup without being bothered by it. Don't let them chase the cats since that can trigger prey drive, don't fuss at them if they try to chase the cat since that can cause them to dislike it, just distract them from the cat with a toy or something while the cat leaves.
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How many other people are there in the house?
If your dad won't listen, you can try talking to other family members.
If you can convince them, then it's not just your opinion vs your father's.
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What concerns me is, as Rain has explained, is rhat you would have to raise those two puppies as separately as possible to avoid littermate syndrome. Here's another article worth reading:

Raising Siblings

Note what it says here:

They must be allowed, no, REQUIRED, to have their own space, to develop their own personalities, and to look to the owner for bonding and love. They must have lots and lots of “only dog” time.

1. Crate them separately (preferably in separate rooms or at opposite ends of a room.)
2. Feed them separately.
3. Walk them separately.
4. Play with them separately.
5. Take them to the vets separately.
6. Train them separately.
7. TRAIN them! Take them to a good obedience class where the instructor knows how to work with littermates. Take them on separate nights. Do NOT take them to the same class.

They can play together, but I cannot stress the importance of these separation procedures enough. Keeping the siblings together at all times will create two parts of a whole, not two individuals. 9 out of 10 cases that I see show some signs of littermate syndrome. Some of the more severe cases are heartbreaking.



Here's the big problem, and you know it too, or you wouldn't be here. You're a high school student. You should be able to focus on your studies, your extra-curricular activities, and preparing for your future. Every three to five days, we get completely stressed out new puppy owners showing up wondering if they've made a huge mistake. A fair number of them are sleep-deprived students.

The good news is that raising a puppy gets easier over time, and you've experienced taking care of Bo. However, dealing with two puppies at once, and having to raise them separately, is just far too much for you to take on as a student when it seems like the only one who really wants a dog right now is your dad.
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