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Old 02-27-2014, 06:29 PM
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Crate Training Trouble

I have crate trained every dog we've ever had. However my eleven week old german shepherd is throwing me through a loop. Hes doing quite well through out the day in the house with potty training. Hes finally gotten to the point where he knows its bad to go in the house and if he does have an accident you can tell he knows he did wrong. However the issue we are having is night time. Anytime you put him in the kennel he uses the bathroom. I have tried getting up with him during the night to relieve his bladder but he will use it in between my get up times. He has no extra room in his kennel I have the divider in and fitted to him. It seems not to bother him at all to potty where he sleeps. The second issue is that 3 weeks later he still cries ALL NIGHT long in the kennel. After a week most dogs are accustomed to it. HELP ME PLEASE!!!
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Did you put some of his toys and maybe a few cookies in his kennel at night and cut him off from the water a couple hours before bed?hopefully that will help a bit if you haven't done that already.Maybe try taking the divider out of his kennel and see what happens,I never put the divider in my puppy's kennel-he only peed the first nite in it.Good luck.
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He is cut off from food and water past 5 am. Has toys that dangle so they dont get feces on them.. I also have a larger kennel that i put him in if i cant watch him during the day. It makes no difference.
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You may just have to take him out at night and stay there until he goes. If you can catch him before he goes in his crate, you might be able to break the habit.
Do you have an enzymatic cleaner to clean the crate? What about bedding? Have you tried taking the bedding out?
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Hes finally gotten to the point where he knows its bad to go in the house and if he does have an accident you can tell he knows he did wrong.
How does he know it's bad to go in the house? Sounds like you used some form of punishment...

I'm wondering if he's nervous, and that could cause peeing in the crate?

Is he crated in your bedroom?
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Move the crate where he can hear you sleeping, even just outside your bedroom. A trainer suggested this to my aunt and uncle when they had the same problem and it turned out that the pup was simply crated too far away from mom and dad.

Dogs are very social animals and puppies especially feel insecure when they think they are sleeping 'alone'. They need a lookout to feel safe!

I'm also willing to bed that separation anxiety is to blame for his weak bladder, so if you're not already sleeping him near you, give it a shot.
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Completely agree to moving the crate to in your bedroom. If he can sense he's alone, he will panic. Even if he's crated, he can hear you move and smell you. I don't know if he has a wire or plastic crate-but either way-cover it. If it's open, he can see distracting things and won't sleep.

He likely is still crying at night because someone is reinforcing the behavior. Dogs get used to their kennels and stop crying-when they learn that crying gets them no attention. If he learns that crying=attention from human (even after 2-3 hours when you're to the point of OMG PUPPY SHUSH I NEED TO SLEEP) and you go appease him-you've reinforced the behavior, giving him what he wants. This makes him cry LONGER next time. Not less. Ignoring him as much as it sucks is the ONLY way to extinguish the crying. I think that's why he's still crying.

When you say 5 am, do you mean pm? Please tell me you're not giving this poor pup one meal and drink early in the am and that's it. Either way-he may need 2 potty trips overnight. If he's crated in your room, you can hear him fuss rather than set alarms so that he learns he can alert you and you will help him from soiling his sleeping place (something they don't want to do)

Not sure-but if he's a pet shop pup he may be used to soiling in his sleeping place due to the way they are raised. This will make it harder to break the habit. just fyi.
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