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Old 01-13-2013, 02:52 PM
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Crate training puppy

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We have been sleeping downstairs on the sofabed, with Zoeys crate right next to us. She whines when first put in or disturbed overnight, which I'm assuming is normal, but does sleep too. She wakes up & whinesmaybe three times throughout the night, once because of us toiletting her.

When we put her in her crate during the day she whines almost constantly, even though we are right next to her! She has toys and a chew /rawhide in there, but she mostly whines and jumps about with a few minutes chilling or chewing mixed in.

Throughout the day we do lots of crate training with her...about every 3 - 5 minutes she will run into the crate and sit and wait for a treat. She will stay in there if I clap my hands or waggle toys, just waiting for a reward.

We never let her out from the crate unless she has been quiet for 3 seconds. When she is in the crate and we are home we reward quiet behaviour and throw treats into her crate.

Is this all normal behaviour?

She has been left a few times with only one accident.

We are wanting to sleep upstairs, but should Zoeys crate be by our bed? Should we just ignore the whining?

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Old 01-13-2013, 03:14 PM
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Hello, I am no expert but we brought home our first puppy Bella three weeks ago and I started crate training straight away. I hoped it would help with toilet training.

We put Bella in the crate with her chews (no treats) during the day. She would whine a little. She is in the kitchen so we would walk in and out of the room so she knew we were there but didn't let her out or pay her too much attention. When we let her out for the toilet and too play and we would give her lots of praise. She was never in there for too long.

Because we had her over Xmas we knew that she would need to go in her crate while we went visiting, so I guess it was a little bit of tough love. Left the radio on for her and only left her for a max of two hours. She really did get used to it quite quickly. Have you left your puppy alone in her crate yet?

As or night time we left her down stairs. We had one awful night when she cried almost constantly. Generally she would wake every couple of hours for the toilet. I couldn't decide whether I should be leaving her longer, but she was always going to the toilet and then going back of to sleep. I kept attention to a minimum at night. Then after about ten nights she slept from nine to six in the morning! And she has done the same every night since.

Bella now loves her crate and it was worth all the work. I know it sounds mean but maybe you just need to ignore the whining. I know you feel horrible doing it because you just want to go and sooth them, but if you are as bad as me with sleep deprivation you need to do it. A good nights sleep made me a better puppy mummy.

Also seeing how much Bella loves her crate, she looks totally chilled and cosy in it, it was the right thing to do.
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You are doing things very well.
If you have an upstairs crate for her to sleep next to your bed, that's what worked for us.

As far as during the day, I think you have her well acclimated to the crate. You just need to ignore her when she fusses and not worry too much if she is whining. She needs a nap, so just sit quietly in the room with her and read or watch the telly or go on your computer, and do NOT look at her or talk to her when she cries. Just be there, but don't react. She'll get the idea that its time to sleep if she cannot get a response from you.

She'll likely go through an "extinction burst" of lots of whining to see if she can get you to acknowledge her. You must hold out! Just when she is the loudest, she's about to fall asleep. Try it!
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Thanks Sue and Vicky - this may sound silly but man I did not realise how loud pups could be!

Yes, we leave her daily for around an hour, and take her out to toilet once during the night. If we are vigilant it works well, but sleeping through alarms or forgetting results in accidents! She's doing really welk though and knows to 'go' outside, we just have to take her out often as she doesn't know to tell us.

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Glad she is doing well. She is so adorable. Our Bella I'd 14 weeks on Wednesday and she has learned that she can take herself off through the cat flap to do her business. I got really worried she would get stuck so we fitted a dog door this weekend, but she won't use it!!

I am quite glad Bella is clever as this is my first puppy.

She totally loves her crate, after puppy romp on Saturday she cried in front of her crate and couldnt wait to get in it, she slept for a couple of hours. My only problem is leaving her in the kitchen and going away to do something. With three kids there is always some emergency to deal with. She hates being alone and will cry. She's fine if she's in her crate. I am worried she will have an accident (she never does though) so I don't like to leave her unattended, which is making me feel a little tied to her. Any ideas, do you think I should just leave her to cry? I know I maybe should leave her in her crate but it would be nice if she could spend time out of her crate without me.
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You could try giving her a nice chew or frozen kong or such, leave her with it in a room, then pop out for a few seconds and re-enter...increase the time and see how she does...

Our rescue pup used to whine any time we were separated, even if it was for the bathroom! We used to let him stick with us (unless crated) and he eventually grew out of it and is happy to be downstairs alone now

Thanks She's settled well in her crate today, with some barking / whining to begin with. I just worry she might be so loud she wakes the neighbours up, as she whines after toiletting at 4.30am! I might go ask them tomorrow - should be okay as one side already adores Zoey haha

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As I recall, Kasper had some separation issues and was sort of panicky in the crate, is that right?

This is a different situation. The pup is fine about her crate, as demonstrated by the way she goes there to wait for the treat and goes in on her own. So what you are now dealing with is just the normal puppy thing, where you need to be absolutely 100% diligent about not inadvertently reinforcing the whining in the crate. No looking at her, no talking to her, nada, when she is in there, unless she is laying quietly chewing her toys etc. In fact, I'd not even acknowledge her much even then. The crate needs to be a place where she amuses herself or sleeps, but does not expect interaction from her humans.

I'd also extend the period of time she needs to be quiet before you let her out a few seconds at a time until you are at a minute. You two are excellent trainers/dog parents, so I'm sure you can do this! Now the exception to this is the middle of the night potty run. If she fusses to go potty at night, just get up and take her out without much comment. She's doing the right thing to tell you her bladder is full. It takes some practice to recognize this fussing versus other fussing, but the key here is if she has been asleep for a few hours, and wakes up, she likely has to pee.
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You are spot on, we were comparing her behviour to Kasper's SA...and so were worried that we needed to help her see the crate as more of a positive place, so she wouldn't whine in there...but have learnt that whining is normal pup behaviour!

Haha, I have just started a new thread about housetraining...I'm pretty sure Zoey peed and slept in the same place before coming to us, so she doesn't tell us when she needs out...I'm hoping that as she's able to hold her bladder for longer, and toiletting outside becomes more of a habit and rewarding, she will drift away from this...

Thankyou again, you have been so helpful with the whole puppy experience, we would have been lost otherwise!! I'm so glad I had DF to turn to!!

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