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Old 09-28-2011, 06:49 AM
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I may consider putting him at the end of my bed but unsure yet. That one i will have to think about. I have been sleeping down stairs the past 3 nights and it seems to settle him a lot more when he knows I'm there with him.

Last night he slept for about 2 and half hours till around the time I was planning to go to bed (12) then I took it out and it had a wee! Then went to sleep, woke up to him wanting the toilet at 5am and again at 8 for his breakfast.

I've let him have a roam of the living room, kitchen and garden, all 3 places he's been before but he hasnt been allowed to do that before. I'm watching him like a hawk to see if he has picked up on where he should be doing his toilet stuff yet.

Well he found himself rather tired after 2 hours of running around and playing so he went back to his crate.

I'm still very wary about him not actually understanding where he needs to do his business, what age should they start being trained? I'm still treating him each time.

At what age will he be old enough to be left all night to sleep and let out in the morning to do his stuff.

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Old 09-28-2011, 07:52 AM
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I may consider putting him at the end of my bed but unsure yet. That one i will have to think about. I have been sleeping down stairs the past 3 nights and it seems to settle him a lot more when he knows I'm there with him.

Last night he slept for about 2 and half hours till around the time I was planning to go to bed (12) then I took it out and it had a wee! Then went to sleep, woke up to him wanting the toilet at 5am and again at 8 for his breakfast.

I've let him have a roam of the living room, kitchen and garden, all 3 places he's been before but he hasnt been allowed to do that before. I'm watching him like a hawk to see if he has picked up on where he should be doing his toilet stuff yet.

Well he found himself rather tired after 2 hours of running around and playing so he went back to his crate.

I'm still very wary about him not actually understanding where he needs to do his business, what age should they start being trained? I'm still treating him each time.

At what age will he be old enough to be left all night to sleep and let out in the morning to do his stuff.

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Needing to go out twice in the night at this age is not unusual. Most puppies get down to once a night by 3 months, if not by 10 weeks.

Its quite extraordinarily good if he has not had an accident inside while running about the house for 2 hours. You must have been taking him out frequently? Usually a puppy this age must be confined to crate, small room, or kept on a leash tied to you, in order not to have an accident.

House training a young pup takes a couple weeks to a couple months, depending on the puppy, and the skill of the owner. Here is what I tell people. Put a penny in a jar every time you have a "success." A success is when you take the puppy outside, he potties, AND you reward him. Take 5 pennies out of your jar every time he has an accident in the house. When you get to between 100 and 200 pennies, the pup is close to house trained. They still need guidance for some time in terms of some prompting to go out (it takes a looong time for them to start to "ask" to go out) and some books say 6 months is about the time you can hope for rock-solid house training. That said, I've had puppies house trained pretty reliably usually by 4 months, and sometimes by 3 months.

So you see it takes quite a bit of time and repetition. Puppies don't learn like humans. Humans "get it!" then they understand. With puppies what you are doing is building a "habit" the way you want it to be.

Remember, puppies don't have a sense of "morality" about where to potty, and we should not expect them to ever. Its not like they ever realize "its good to potty in the garden and naughty to potty in the house." Instead, they get in the HABIT of pottying in the garden, and if you are vigilant in your routine, they never get in the habit of potty in the house.

Does that help?

Overall, again, it sounds like you are doing a terrific job, not just for a first time puppy owner, but even for someone who has a bit of prior experience.

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As far as night time routine, its very good if you have him somewhere you can hear him if he fusses and needs to potty in the night. Once he understands that you will help him to keep his bed clean, then he knows how to ask you... that's a good thing! If he is plenty tired from an active puppy day, he should be "honest" with you about this need.

Also, plan to keep going out WITH him and rewarding him with a treat for potty for at least the first couple of months, well past when you think he "understands" where to potty. If you stop treating too soon, he may slide back in his understanding. Even as a young adult, praising and the occasional treat won't hurt!

Plus, winter is coming, and puppies generally don't like cold and rain, so they need extra moral support in going out in the inclement weather to do their thing, otherwise you may find some pee puddles in the house on bad weather days.
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First things first, the important part, the picture
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Well following on from a good amount of time of doing his stuff in the right place (outside!) he managed to pass through me earlier into the house without me knowing and he kindly left me a present in the living room!

Again completely my fault because i should have kept him out the living room really. He seems to think that it's a perfect place to do his thing. He was outside at the time so he went in doors just to poo.

It's okay if he has already done his stuff and i allow him in doors but if not. He will gaurentee to do it eventually with no warning.

Again i know in time it'll all come together so i'll just carry on with taking him out and im sure it'll soon fly by the next couple months!

My latest concern is making sure that he is having another activity each day.

I have been feeding him at 8am, 1-1:30 and again at 6. after lunch he goes out into the garden where he explores and plays with every / trys to eat everything and i follow him around making sure he's not getting up to no good. (which he usually is! :P)

After he goes back in for a sleep up intill around 1pm where he will get his lunch and again he does the same sort of routine.

I'm a little concerned that perhaps he should be having more time out of his crate in the day considering he's in there from around 10pm to 7-8am with only toilet breaks. He doesn't sob but sometimes gives a few seconds weeping and then settles down when hes put back in after toilet time. The occasionally burst of barking then if you ignore him he'll stop.

The problem i have is that when he's out in the garden, he needs constant watch, even if i go inside and watch him through the big conservatory windows he'll want to come in so i can't leave him out anyway. He barks and jumps at the door.

I can't keep him inside running around because he'll poo, so i'm a little stuck to what i should be doing?

Any suggestions to make it easier for him to run around and have fun!
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OK, you are now in the thick of puppy raising!

Yes, puppies need constant supervision unless safely in their crate, so your conclusion about this is correct! Again he is like a 2 year old child, ready to get in trouble through natural curiosity at any moment, and being a baby dog, he will pick up and chew everything!

Techniques people use often involve the use of "baby gates" to enclose the puppy in a room with you, such as in the kitchen. Also, you can "puppy proof" the areas where you allow him. This means removing things that are unsafe for him or that he might damage.

Another technique people use is to tie puppy to them with a short rope, perhaps 6 to 8 feet. This way you can sit on the floor with him in the living room, and he can't get too far away or in trouble. You have a toy or two for him to play with and he'll likely settle on your lap to chew and play.

Regarding the potty training, I suspect you had a run of successes in a row, and were then under the impression he was "getting it" in terms of what he "should" do. Again, as I've said, its more like building a habit, and mistakes are very common at this age! Get out your penny jar (shillings?... what do you folks use over there? ) and start counting!

Puppies are a tonne of work! They are very much like having a human baby. The one big advantage is they grow up a lot faster and house break sooner, and you don't have to deal with diapers! Plus you don't need to hire a sitter for short times away from home. The crate will do.

Hope some of that helps.

He is Incredibly adorable! Does he have a name yet?
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Another comment.... puppies need lots of activity to get tired out, but also lots of naps. So they do end up spending a lot of time in their crates even during the day. A half hour playing in the garden with you, then another half hour inside with you in the kitchen or playing in the LR, will likely tire him out enough for another nap. As he gets older, he'll have more stamina. He'll also gradually get into less trouble. Well, to be honest, first he'll get worse about this for a few weeks, then start to mature a bit!

One day at a time. He's a baby now. In a few weeks he'll be a pre-school age child, and will be able to play on his own for short periods, perhaps even in the garden, although you still should keep an eye on him. Right now, he's too young to be outside by himself, and he knows it!
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If, after some time running about, you put him in his crate and he settles to sleep pretty soon, then indeed he needs his nap!
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Hi again Tess,

Sorry for the late reply, what with the girlfriends birthday and busy days at work i haven't had time to reply.

Yeah, i have named him woody.

I'm still taking him out ALOT and it seems to be working but i'm wondering if i should perhaps make an area in the garden with wood shavings so he can recognise a space which he should do his thing on rather than anywhere in the whole garden.

I can see that giving him the chance to do it anywhere in the garden could make him think that it's okay to do it anywhere he wants.

If i concentrate on putting him in the same place each time i take him out in the shavings, after meals and praise him perhaps he might just get it.

I have fully got the napping under control now and he's pretty good, still the occasional weep but at night he went to sleep at 12pm after poo/wee, woke up at 7:30 am with no noise weeping or anything in the night. I was really shocked.

I have really been looking at his behaviour the past day or two and he's starting to become more feisty and naughty. He's now nipping / chew everything including my hands/ feet and unprovoked as i found out earlier coming in from work. He only got a little like that when he was playing at first now it's becoming a norm and i want to stop it in the tracks before it escalates.

Now i have a clicker and have watched the videos of how to go about it so all i need to do now is find a treat which he really enjoys so he'll want them treats.

The current treats are quite chewy for him so it wouldn't really work in the training situation as he'll be constantly chewing rather than eating and wanting another!

Any suggestions over than clicker training with this situation.
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Its a great idea to take him to one place to do his business. I usually advise people to put puppy on a leash, take him to his potty place, wait quietly for him to potty, then give him both a treat, and release him from his leash so he can run and play.

This routine encourages pup to learn to do his potty first thing.

As far as the nipping and chewing... its not actually "naughty"... its just what puppies do... they cannot help themselves. Keep a toy in your hand at all times and put it in his mouth! This is just something you have to manage until he outgrows this stage, which takes a few months.

Hope that helps!
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