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Old 11-05-2013, 11:18 AM
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Bite Inhibition

Okay, I admit, its my fault. I've spent years researching Cavaliers and finding the right breeder. It never crossed my mind to look at general puppy facts. So I screwed up by getting a puppy a 7 and 1/2 weeks.

Knowing that, I really need help working on her biting. We've been working on it slowly, but recently all the progress we made seems to have vanished, and she's biting much harder than ever. She's even starting to get big enough (at almost 12-weeks) to break skin when she bites. Which is all the time.

I've tried Kikopup's method, but I can't seem to pet, click, and treat at the same time.

I let her play with Milo and other dogs in the hope that she'd learn at least a little of what is too hard, but it doesn't seem to work very well.

What other methods have you found to work-- especilly in cases like this?
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:09 PM
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Go back to kikopup she is the best. With clicker training the click is the important thing. You have to make sure the click happens right when your dog does what you want. The treat can come a minute after it does not matter. I dont know where the petting comes in clicker training unless you are using it instead of a treat. Clicker training really is the easiest form of training I have ever done and the pups seem to respond the quickest. Did you load the clicker first before you started. A little practice makes perfect on the clicking. Did you watch the kikopup clicker training video? She goes through how and when to click and how to get the best results.
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That can be so frustrating, and painful!!! The best advice I received on this forum about biting is to move slowly, all. the. time. It really helped. My puppy was intent on biting my legs, feet, and ankles, hard enough to break skin and bruise me. After getting some advice on here, I moved slow around Theo all the time. Eventually, he got the hang of what I wanted. He still bites/gnaws now, but he has bite inhibition to where he just kind of puts his mouth around my hand and applies gentle pressure. And, he stopped going after my legs, feet, and ankles.

Getting up and ignoring him when he was biting worked well too. I'd remove myself from his penned in area, and either stand with my back to him, or walk into another room. Sometimes, I had to do this 20x in an hour. But, it helped! I also think it helps when they start losing their baby teeth and getting their adult teeth. His need to bite decreased with the losing of his baby teeth.
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Oh, and the kikopup NO BITE! video helps. We are still working on that, because Theo wants to follow the hand that is petting him and nip. Again, that's also a matter of going too fast. But we train the NO BITE! method every day, and it's getting much better.
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The NO BITE! video is what I was referencing. I keep trying to do what she does, but I don't feel like the message is really clicking.
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The NO BITE! video is what I was referencing. I keep trying to do what she does, but I don't feel like the message is really clicking.
It took theo a really long time to get the hang of it. We practice daily, and if he's really excited it's almost like being back at square one! It has helped so is suggest sticking with it and practicing it multiple times a day for a few months.
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I do have one thing that works. She has a short leash, only about 3 feet with a hands free loop, that I started putting on her when she was tearing up the carpet and getting a little out of control.

...Have you ever seen Lilo and Stitch where she puts the lei on him? Yeah, its like that XD. Even when I'm not holding it, she settles right down and usually takes a nap. Its...kind of hilarious. Obviously can't do it all the time, but for now it gives me something to work with.
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It might help if you use a simpler method too. I haven't seen the no-bite video (and normally Kikopups vids are excellent), but based on what you've said, I can see how it might feel like a bit much or be hard to follow.

What I normally do is just ignore it. So if you're playing with AJ and she nips (or nips too hard), simply say "oops!" and end playtime and ignore her. This is negative punishment. You're taking away something positive...Your attention. She WANTS to play with you, she WANTS your attention. Once she realizes that certain actions or behaviors make play time end and make you ignore her, she'll try to avoid those behaviors. She might try to come after you and engage you in play again. She may get frustrated and nip your feet or jump on you or bark at you. If that happens, keep ignoring her and leave the room if necessary. Go into the bathroom and shut the door, or simply step over a baby gate or other barricade. Make it absolutely clear that those behaviors do NOT get her attention.

It takes consistency, but it does work.

Also, try to pay attention to her general mood and what she wants vs. what you want. Trying to pet or love on a puppy that is in play mode is nearly pointless. You'll probably end up overstimulating her and she's not going to be able to help herself but nip at that point. If she wants to play, either play with her, or if you don't want to play, redirect her to a kong or nylabone or something she can work on by herself. Try to pet her and give her love and massages when she's more tired, sleeping or in a calmer state of mind in general. If she gets too roused up, stop the pets and leave her alone again. This lets you reinforce being calm too, and she'll learn that when she's being petted, it doesn't automatically mean it's playtime.
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Ah, yes, see, that I can follow. I was doing that a bit today when we were working on her fetch and tug. If she went for my hand, the game ended for about 30 seconds, and I wouldn't look at or talk to her. She hasn't seemed to get the message yet (actually she just went after Milo instead...) but I'll keep trying it. Maybe for a shorter period of time.
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Ah, yes, see, that I can follow. I was doing that a bit today when we were working on her fetch and tug. If she went for my hand, the game ended for about 30 seconds, and I wouldn't look at or talk to her. She hasn't seemed to get the message yet (actually she just went after Milo instead...) but I'll keep trying it. Maybe for a shorter period of time.
Yeah that's the trouble with high drive dogs...They are VERY good at finding self reinforcing behavior and redirecting their attention to something else.

I was trying to teach Tigger to put the ball in my hand and was ignoring misses. He discovered it was fun enough to just keep dropping the ball over and over again to watch it fall, bounce and roll
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