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Old 03-08-2012, 03:28 AM
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Haha! Yeah, it's hard to say without seeing it in person or a video.. I was just trying to pick up on things here and there to guess/suggest some ideas on what it could be. Sorry for being so off,!! If she doesn't seem like she's afraid.. She might just be a spazzy, mouthy little puppy.. It's just hard for me to imagine her being truly aggressive at such a young age, though it's what I thought of my Loki so I guess that's hypocritical of me. I almost cried at times.

Do you have chew toys for her? Probably one of the best things we did to stop Loki's obsession with chewing on us.. Was holding a chew toy for him and letting him have it. He still got to be close to us, which he really loved, but his chewing need was fulfilled as well. Even though he's much better about getting mouthy with us, he still loves to curl up in my lap and gnaw on a bully stick or one of his nylabones.

That's great you're interacting with her while she eats and such! We did that with Loki, too, and he doesn't mind us near his food.. We also would put our hands in his bowl and near his mouth. But see.. Would a truly aggressive dog be ok with someone messing with their food?! From your last post.. I think you're really just dealing with a typical puppy.. or maybe a puppy that is a little more determined than the typical puppy, but australian shepherds and border collies are both very intense breeds!

I remember wondering what I was going to do with Loki.. It was very upsetting at the time, but I'm so glad we stuck it out and worked with him. I'm 99% sure you will feel the same if you just give it time and are patient with her.

It's really hard because it DOES hurt and it's scary, even if it is just a little puppy doing it.. My arms and hands were so marked up from scratches and bites. My hands always stung and were SO dry and cracked.. It sucked! But then one day I realized my hands didn't hurt, and my arms weren't all marked up.. That was a good day.
Seriously... my arms, legs, hands and feet are covered in scratches and bite marks. We have a few toys for her. Some nylabones, monkey with longs arms and legs that she drags around, a kong type toy we stuff with peanut butter and treats, a little stuffed ball we soak in chicken broth, and we give her chicken broth frozen in mini ice cube trays to help with the teething. Other then when there is chicken broth of peanut butter involved she prefers chewing on us. I'll give her the bone and she will work up to where my fingers are really quick and if i let go when she gets it she drops it and tries to bite me instead.

I think it was worse today when she threw her fit and bit my husband cause she really hurt him. I was watching and it was horrible, cause she bit and tore at his hand. That was the first time he really considered getting rid of her. Before he kept wanting to work at it, but with it not getting better we both agree we don't want a dog that doesn't respect people and ends up hurting others.

She is super spazzy and playful for the most part and we are okay with that. Its cute. We enjoy playing and training but she wants it all her ways (treats when she wants by attempting to snap them out fingers, her choice of chew toys, aka us, and running where she wants). If we try and stop her from going some where or biting something that isnt okay, she just keeps trying, we keep stopping her, she throws a fit, we get bit and scratched and she gets put in her kennel where she whines and tries to escape. Shes very persistent and we can't seem to figure out what will work with her. She has these fits usually a few times a day. since they end with her in kennel and us discouraged she gets less play time which isnt good either since she has so much energy.
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Most of what you describe is normal puppy mouthing. Wear jeans and long sleeves around puppies at all times!

The fit when you pick her up is because she is startled and scared. Best to learn ways to deal with her that don't necessitate swooping in to scoop her up.

Search you tube for Ian Dunbar bite inhibition training and start working on that diligently. It takes a few weeks but is worth it.

You can keep this puppy. You will just need to become more attuned to her signals that she is scared and also work gently to build her trust. She is not vicious she is simply a bit reactive.

Check out kikopup on u tube for clicker training. This is your ticket to raising this pup.
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Check out the puppy threads on this forum too. There are videos on how to train away all the problems you describe! Sorry I cannot link from my phone.
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It is VERY VERY important for you to remember that your EIGHT WEEK old is still VERY VERY VERY much a baby. Set your expectations low.

Also a Australian Shep/Border Collie are VERY high energy VERY smart puppies. Speaking as an owner of an Australian Cattle Dog you have your work cut out for you. The teenage months are the absolute worst, but I will tell you what, all that hard work has really paid off.

Clicker training will be your best friend, start using it now(seriously right now, if you dont have a clicker go buy one)

Links.

Watch all of these, they are incredible

https://www.dogforum.com/dog-training...rticles-11426/

https://www.dogforum.com/housebreakin...-how-tos-2135/

A suggestion on house training, again speaking as a owner of a very smart breed

Get a bell and hang it from your door. Every single time you go out that door with the puppy ring the bell. Puppy will learn to associate bell with going out. Its a great tool that sped up our house training time by giving our puppy a way to tell us with out a doubt what she wanted.
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I just want to state as a newcomer to this thread...I see a lot of issues with setting this pup up to bite. It sounds like a "leave it" command is definitely in need here and instead of handing the puppy anything, you should be placing it down then letting the dog take it.

I also see you are using the crate as punishment which is a big no no.

I also see way too high of expectations from what is now just a 9-10 week old puppy.

Maybe its time to bring in a trainer to physically be there and help you through this

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I just want to state as a newcomer to this thread...I see a lot of issues with setting this pup up to bite. It sounds like a "leave it" command is definitely in need here and instead of handing the puppy anything, you should be placing it down then letting the dog take it.

I also see you are using the crate as punishment which is a big no no.

I also see way too high of expectations from what is now just a 9-10 week old puppy.

Maybe its time to bring in a trainer to physically be there and help you through this
Setting it up to bite? By playing with her? She is a puppy, she needs to be handled and played with and given attention as well as learn to take things without hurting people or she will end up hurting someone outside of the family and lead to bigger problems. I have tried to teach her the "leave it" command and as you said... she young. I don't expect her to know a lot of tricks, only to understand when she is doing something she shouldn't and biting too hard and non play growling and snapping at faces is unacceptable. I don't expect her to learn over night but to get better and progress.

Also, I understand the concept of not using a crate as a punishment, it can make them fear their crate. That is not a problem. It is used as a time out, just a pause in the play for it getting too rough, she isnt yelled at or given a negative reaction when placed in there. She has no problem with her crate whatsoever and willing goes in there by her self to lay down and nap when she is tired.
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It is VERY VERY important for you to remember that your EIGHT WEEK old is still VERY VERY VERY much a baby. Set your expectations low.

Also a Australian Shep/Border Collie are VERY high energy VERY smart puppies. Speaking as an owner of an Australian Cattle Dog you have your work cut out for you. The teenage months are the absolute worst, but I will tell you what, all that hard work has really paid off.

Clicker training will be your best friend, start using it now(seriously right now, if you dont have a clicker go buy one)

Links.

Watch all of these, they are incredible

https://www.dogforum.com/dog-training...rticles-11426/

https://www.dogforum.com/housebreakin...-how-tos-2135/

A suggestion on house training, again speaking as a owner of a very smart breed

Get a bell and hang it from your door. Every single time you go out that door with the puppy ring the bell. Puppy will learn to associate bell with going out. Its a great tool that sped up our house training time by giving our puppy a way to tell us with out a doubt what she wanted.
The bell is a really great idea, thank you. And thank you for the links. She is very smart puppy, and very high energy and we love that about her. We got a clicker and she responded well to it. She learns things like "sit", "down", "off" really quickly, and the house training has gone better than expected, its really the biting/snapping/growling that is the problem. Its frustrating and painful and I hate having to walk away for her all the time. Teaching bite inhibition hasn't gone well either. We aren't trying to have too high of expectations, we think she is wonderful learner but know she is young, we just don't progress in that area.
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Most of what you describe is normal puppy mouthing. Wear jeans and long sleeves around puppies at all times!

The fit when you pick her up is because she is startled and scared. Best to learn ways to deal with her that don't necessitate swooping in to scoop her up.

Search you tube for Ian Dunbar bite inhibition training and start working on that diligently. It takes a few weeks but is worth it.

You can keep this puppy. You will just need to become more attuned to her signals that she is scared and also work gently to build her trust. She is not vicious she is simply a bit reactive.

Check out kikopup on u tube for clicker training. This is your ticket to raising this pup.
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Thanks Tess, hopefully it will get better, the clicker training is great though. We've started playing with her in a smaller confined area so that she can't just run off where she shouldn't be so we don't need to be stopping her as much, she just isn't a fan of there being places she can't go and tries to escape. She is very determined and sometimes successful, haha. I'd love to think she is just very reactive but the growling and biting don't seem to be getting any better. I keep trying to see differences between play/non play, but its difficult.
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She was. I didn't realize it till after. Should have gotten more information to begin with. We got her at about 6 weeks. We have tried to teach her bite inhibition thought nothing has worked. And want to get her around other puppies so she can learn to behave better, we just don't know if we can keep her if it continues.

I would not put her around other puppies, because other puppies are still learning too. An older dog might know how to handle the situation better. I have a 3lb two year old and a puppy three times her size came after her. All my girl had to do was growl and the pup left.

I do agree that at eight weeks is to young for the pup to comprehend much. Be patient and exercise the pup. As soon as you find a method that she understands what your asking it will be a breeze from their. Enjoy puppyhood.
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Its been 9 days since your original post, you must stick to any training for longer than 9 days to see results

Also by setting her up to bite I mean you are still doing the things that lead to her biting. So if handing her a treat ends in her biting or trying to bite you, set it on the ground, or work on "easy" (or gentle or whatever cue) to where she must take it gently in order to even get it.

I think its best if you bring in a trainer to help you
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