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Old 03-05-2012, 05:11 AM
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Thanks for those, they were informative. We started taking her out and we've gotten her to run around and play but she whines a lot, and constantly tries to just hide in between our legs. She's still biting and snapping a lot but we're doing what we can with her.
She sounds extremely fearful. If this snapping is NOT play, then there are issues here.

Are you able to take some video to share? Folks here could help you determine better what is going on... Play or fear or perhaps you have some resource guarding. (see sticky thread in behavior section)
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Be very, very gentle with this pup and extremely calm with your body and voice. This sounds like a pup who is easily over stimulated and often frightened. It's not good for puppies to be scared a lot.
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I agree, I don't have a problem with her being mouthy, when I mean biting and snapping and growling its usually not in play, its for no apparent reason, or we are just with her and she'll climb on you and snap at your face. It just doesnt seem playful.
Did you meet the puppy parents when you got the puppy if you did what where they like? I would be really concerned with a puppy acting that aggressive , you should not let it get away with climbing on you and snapping at your face. That puppy is not being playful at all. My daughter had a pitbull mix puppy and she did not act that way. Don't give the dog any treats when it acting like that, she will think you're rewarding her. Can you bring the puppy back to the breeder and maybe they can help you . The breeder should know what to do . Or have a puppy train work with you before the dog get to big to control. I knew famliy that was checking rottie puppies and one of the puppy bit the boy in the face. The puppy had to put down . The ACO would not let the dog be adopted as it was too aggressive for a puppy.
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I think she was taken from her mom too soon and moms are the ones that teach their pups biting is not good.

Have patience and say no firmly and turn away. It takes alot of No's but they will learn.
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She sounds extremely fearful. If this snapping is NOT play, then there are issues here.

Are you able to take some video to share? Folks here could help you determine better what is going on... Play or fear or perhaps you have some resource guarding. (see sticky thread in behavior section)
I will try to get one. I thought it might be getting better, but today she was playing with my husband and he went to pick her up and she threw a fit, he tried to hold her to him and she went wild growling and snapping and bit him really hard. He'd been sitting so he let go and she ran so I picked her up and she did the same with me. We put her in her kennel for a bit, then took her out a few minutes later and gave her food and water to see if she hungry, then after eating she started the same fit. We have no idea what to do. She bit my chin too. We are going to try and exercise her more and see what a vet says, but we don't know if we can keep a dog that is so aggressive already... she is so young and I have never seen a puppy behave like this. We try being calm with her and all she does is fight us.
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Did you meet the puppy parents when you got the puppy if you did what where they like? I would be really concerned with a puppy acting that aggressive , you should not let it get away with climbing on you and snapping at your face. That puppy is not being playful at all. My daughter had a pitbull mix puppy and she did not act that way. Don't give the dog any treats when it acting like that, she will think you're rewarding her. Can you bring the puppy back to the breeder and maybe they can help you . The breeder should know what to do . Or have a puppy train work with you before the dog get to big to control. I knew famliy that was checking rottie puppies and one of the puppy bit the boy in the face. The puppy had to put down . The ACO would not let the dog be adopted as it was too aggressive for a puppy.
We met the mom and she was a sweet dog. Our Sofie was one of the last 2 and she seemed to be the calmest one. We are trying to stop her from climbing on us and things like that but she is super persistent and doesn't relent. We went to get her in a puppy class, but we are worried about if we can even keep her with this behavior.
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I think she was taken from her mom too soon and moms are the ones that teach their pups biting is not good.

Have patience and say no firmly and turn away. It takes alot of No's but they will learn.
She was. I didn't realize it till after. Should have gotten more information to begin with. We got her at about 6 weeks. We have tried to teach her bite inhibition thought nothing has worked. And want to get her around other puppies so she can learn to behave better, we just don't know if we can keep her if it continues.
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Hmm.. I'm not sure. Loki did bite, growl, bark, and lunge.. It was like mini attacks, but he never did it out of the blue.. It was usually because he wanted to do something he wasn't allowed to do or he wanted to bite me and I wouldn't let him.. I think he mostly just outgrew it + he learned it didn't work in his favor. I second Tess that If you could get some videos of her doing it that would be REALLY helpful to the people who are trying to help.. as in I left or ignored him.

I don't know much about dogs, but 6 weeks is VERY young to leave her mom and siblings.. How much was she handled by humans before she came to you? She might just be totally scared and confused by you guys.

Is there any trigger? Is it usually when someone tries to pick her up and/or handle her? She might just not trust you guys and thinks she has to defend herself.. I'd honestly just try to build trust with her. Do not try to hold her still.. We (sadly) tried with our puppy a few times and it made it worse. In fact, after reading up on it and realizing our mistakes, we found the calmer and more gentle we were with him the better he was. You might just be scaring her and exciting her even more, especially if she is not used to humans to begin with.

Don't give up on her yet.. I'm not an expert, but just be gentle with her and show her you're there to protect her and love her. I would try to hand feed her from now on and gently praise/treat when she's being calm/good. It does sound like she's nervous so try not to overcrowd her or force affection on her.. Don't surprise her by picking her up or anything. Give her lots of treats when she interacts with you guys and when you approach her. Does she like when you pet her or does she shy away?

I don't know.. I'm very tired and am not thinking 100%.. If you do decide you cannot keep her.. Pleaseee make sure you find a home with someone who is fully aware of her issues and is willing to work with her.. Don't put someone else in your situation, especially since they might not care as much as you and hurt the puppy or drop her in a shelter where she'll be even more scared. I'm sure someone can offer better advice.. But just my thoughts.
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Hmm.. I'm not sure. Loki did bite, growl, bark, and lunge.. It was like mini attacks, but he never did it out of the blue.. It was usually because he wanted to do something he wasn't allowed to do or he wanted to bite me and I wouldn't let him.. I think he mostly just outgrew it + he learned it didn't work in his favor. I second Tess that If you could get some videos of her doing it that would be REALLY helpful to the people who are trying to help.. as in I left or ignored him.

I don't know much about dogs, but 6 weeks is VERY young to leave her mom and siblings.. How much was she handled by humans before she came to you? She might just be totally scared and confused by you guys.

Is there any trigger? Is it usually when someone tries to pick her up and/or handle her? She might just not trust you guys and thinks she has to defend herself.. I'd honestly just try to build trust with her. Do not try to hold her still.. We (sadly) tried with our puppy a few times and it made it worse. In fact, after reading up on it and realizing our mistakes, we found the calmer and more gentle we were with him the better he was. You might just be scaring her and exciting her even more, especially if she is not used to humans to begin with.

Don't give up on her yet.. I'm not an expert, but just be gentle with her and show her you're there to protect her and love her. I would try to hand feed her from now on and gently praise/treat when she's being calm/good. It does sound like she's nervous so try not to overcrowd her or force affection on her.. Don't surprise her by picking her up or anything. Give her lots of treats when she interacts with you guys and when you approach her. Does she like when you pet her or does she shy away?

I don't know.. I'm very tired and am not thinking 100%.. If you do decide you cannot keep her.. Pleaseee make sure you find a home with someone who is fully aware of her issues and is willing to work with her.. Don't put someone else in your situation, especially since they might not care as much as you and hurt the puppy or drop her in a shelter where she'll be even more scared. I'm sure someone can offer better advice.. But just my thoughts.
Shes asleep and calm for now, but I'll record her and see if we can't catch one of her moments. She was handled a lot before we got her. The breeder has 3 kids, they were even the ones who brought the puppies to us while we were talking to the breeder. Sometimes she is fine being picked up and other times not. She doesn't seem afraid of us, she comes when we call (about 90% of the time, shes easily distracted, as are most puppies). When we pet her shes good for about 30 seconds before she starts trying to mouth of on our hands. When we are trying to train her she is constantly trying to jump up on us and crawl into our laps and bite our toes. She also follows us around. She learned to sit really quick and will sit and stay before we give her food and doesn't growl when we pet her while she eats or if we move the bowl (sometime we will stop her after a bit and have sit again then give it bad, we've heard its good to train them to not be possessive over their food and she hasn't been, yet) She growls when she plays at times, but that is totally different from when she throws her tantrums.
We really do love her and want to do everything we can to keep her. We are moving in a couple weeks and found a place with a big back yard, despite it being over 15 miles further from work/school just to be sure we could keep her and give her the space she needs to play. Its just hard to have her hurting us and we would hate for her to hurt someone else and end up being put down.
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Haha! Yeah, it's hard to say without seeing it in person or a video.. I was just trying to pick up on things here and there to guess/suggest some ideas on what it could be. Sorry for being so off,!! If she doesn't seem like she's afraid.. She might just be a spazzy, mouthy little puppy.. It's just hard for me to imagine her being truly aggressive at such a young age, though it's what I thought of my Loki so I guess that's hypocritical of me. I almost cried at times.

Do you have chew toys for her? Probably one of the best things we did to stop Loki's obsession with chewing on us.. Was holding a chew toy for him and letting him have it. He still got to be close to us, which he really loved, but his chewing need was fulfilled as well. Even though he's much better about getting mouthy with us, he still loves to curl up in my lap and gnaw on a bully stick or one of his nylabones.

That's great you're interacting with her while she eats and such! We did that with Loki, too, and he doesn't mind us near his food.. We also would put our hands in his bowl and near his mouth. But see.. Would a truly aggressive dog be ok with someone messing with their food?! From your last post.. I think you're really just dealing with a typical puppy.. or maybe a puppy that is a little more determined than the typical puppy, but australian shepherds and border collies are both very intense breeds!

I remember wondering what I was going to do with Loki.. It was very upsetting at the time, but I'm so glad we stuck it out and worked with him. I'm 99% sure you will feel the same if you just give it time and are patient with her.

It's really hard because it DOES hurt and it's scary, even if it is just a little puppy doing it.. My arms and hands were so marked up from scratches and bites. My hands always stung and were SO dry and cracked.. It sucked! But then one day I realized my hands didn't hurt, and my arms weren't all marked up.. That was a good day.
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