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Old 03-01-2016, 01:54 PM
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7 month pup doesn't behave well around other dogs.

The title might not be the best description for what it happening but I would like reassurance or possible advice on our current situation. Our 7 month old male Samoyed, Albert, has gone through some great changes since we first got him at 9 weeks old. I was previously on Dog Forum for help on typically puppy behaviors but he is now at the miraculous point where he will stay in the same room with us without getting rowdy or trying to go somewhere else in the house more "fun".

I know he is now reaching the age where he might start acting out and testing limits but I will enjoy this while I can and remind myself that when it's all said and done he will be a civilized part of the family But I am now returning to the forums for help on an issue that has started to come up: Albert loves to play with other dogs - so much that he will start to annoy them.

A few weeks back we went to a party for a 1 year old female Golden Retriever. There was also a 7 month old male Australian Shepard. They were having a great time and I could tell Albert was actually getting worn out (a miracle). When it came time for the Golden to open her presents, Albert actually went after one of the new toys and the Golden growled and snapped at him. I know how Albert plays and he wasn't going after the toy to keep it for himself, he uses it as a way to get other dogs to chase him. If they don't chase he runs right back to them, shoves the toy in their face and runs so they follow. That part gets annoying, even for us because he will try to do the same when we are on the couch. He's slowly getting the hint with us because we ignore him until he drops it on the floor or takes a few steps back.

He is insistent with other dogs. He regularly spends time with his aunts (a 3 year old female Lab and a 5 year old female Pug) when we head to our parent's house. He will NOT stop trying to play even when the other dogs are clearly trying to relax. The lab will growl at him (I never witnessed it) but he will still try until they finally remove him from her presence.

When the dogs growl or snap at him I don't do anything. I don't know if I should? I want him to get the hint and read the signs other dogs give him unless the other dog is clearly agitated to the point of biting, which has not been the case yet. Is this something he needs to learn on his own? Should I be doing something? I wonder if it has to do because Samoyed's are pack driven dogs. I can't tell if maybe he is trying to test his place with other dogs. Everything I read though tells me that as long as the owner acts as pack leader the dog should never feel like they need to assert themselves. I have tried what I can to assert myself (without the submissive rolling) but is it not enough?

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Old 03-02-2016, 02:00 PM
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Forget the pack thing it is out dated and unnecessary. Let the other dogs do as much as they can for your dog. They can do it better than we can. If it looks like it may go farther than growling then remove your dog. If he keeps getting removed from play he will learn to behave.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:33 PM
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He sounds like a super annoying puppy :P Levi was like that for a long time. Finally, one day at the park, he was jumping all over this elderly Golden. She gave him a head turn, a lip lick, a raised lip, a growl, and then finally she charged him with her head and knocked him over. He screamed like a baby, but by the time he yelped the Golden was already walking off alone. I don't really advocate letting your puppy get hurt or anything, but this Golden was giving him every signal imaginable and he just wasn't getting it. He got up, shook himself off, and found someone more suitable to play with.
For the record - still loves dogs, and behaves much better now.
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I mentioned the pack thing because Samoyed's are dogs that are actually used to being in packs. They were a part of the Samoyed people in northern Siberia and were used to pull sleds with other dogs. I was not referring towards dominance.

But that's what I figured Shandula, thank you! It's just a little embarrassing when the owners dog has to witness my dog being such a brat haha, but unless they say we want it to stop I'll let the dogs work it out.
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Believe me you are not alone!! My 8 month old Aussie has zero doggy manners and tries to initiate play with every dog he meets. I don't do anything when older dogs growl and snap at him because he eventually gets the message and leaves them alone. My trainer suggested we practice impulse control and being calm around dogs. We do alot of exercises at obedience class where we practice greeting other dogs on leads (a quick sniff then keep walking) and maintaining focus on the handler. We also go to dog parks and sit at a bench while watching dogs run around until he eventually calms down and gives me his full attention rather than other dogs. My boy is slowly getting better with training but he's still super boisterous and rude. I think part of it is the age, hopefully our pups will calm down as they mature.
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Ok, that's what I am hoping for. He has just recently started reaching his "teenage phase" which I was hoping I'd have more time before we reached and he has started to cross boundaries in our house and demand barking (again..ugh) when I'm not treating him enough or if he feels I'm bossing him around too much. I just recently lost it last Saturday when we went to puppy classes...this was his third class and it was the worst he's ever been. He did not pay attention to us ONCE in the full hour. He actually barked almost the entire time and no matter how much farther we moved away all he wanted to do was stare at the other dogs. I had to run out at the end of class and I cried the entire way home. It was very frustrating.

The first time we went it took him 30 minutes before he started even making eye contact, the second time 15 minutes. Even then his attention was spotty but then he was so bad the last one. It basically confirmed that he's reached the age where his brain is elsewhere. No amount of treats helped either. No amount or kind. Even his favorite type couldn't snap him out of it. For him his love of things is as follows: Other dogs > Other people > Food > Us. Even a first time 5 month puppy did better than my dog. I was so embarrassed..but I keep telling myself all of his behaviors is his age and I have to work past it so that the behaviors don't stick. It just doesn't help when I see a complete regression and little progression.

I've told my fiance to train him with his family dogs around (but separated) so that Albert gets more practice in understanding that he's not going to get play time until he does training and that he needs to pay attention to us. Then to let him play when he's done and let the dogs growl if he acts up. I'm hoping all the exposure might help..


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Puppies are fun right? Aayla has the same priorities as your pup. Only add toys before food but after other people.

Everyone has given the best advice, if the dogs are willing to tell your dog no. let them. Yesterday Aayla (who is 6 months) was playing with an older Akita. He played for a while but then was 'done' he walked away and Aayla kept jumping up at his ears, biting and running around. One of the times she bit at him he snarled and snapped at her. Took her a back but she stopped, for a while. Till later he went to lay down. She loves just standing over/on other dogs/people when they lay down. Which is rude doggy behavior. So when she did that to the Akita, he pretty much roared at her and stood up fast and sent her sprawling on the floor. She ran to me and laid down, from there on from the rest of the night she was respectful without him having ever actually making contact with teeth.

Now on the other hand she pesters the heck out of our Chow mix, Kota. He tries to tell her off but his warning growl is the EXACT same as his play growl. She is also so fast compared to him so when he snaps at her she thinks its a great game. In those cases I know that Kota is stressed and uncomfortable and Aayla just gets more and more jazzed up. Kota is unable to tell her knock it off, so I step in and remove her.

So in the end if the dog is will to give an appropriate correction and the puppy listens I let it happen. If the dog is too harsh with the correction or won't give one at all is when I step in. Even at a dog park I would remove, it is rude to let your dog/puppy bother other peoples dogs.
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What I've heard is that it's not just adolescence, but at 7 months old dogs go through a weird developmental phase where they just go nuts. It can probably start a bit early and last a bit longer, which is why 6 or 8 month old dogs are being mentioned too.
But what I've heard is that more dogs are given up at age 7 months than any other age, simply because of this. We got our pup at 7 months and it was insane, but only a week into month 8 and she's starting to become manageable (although part of that is just adjustment).
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Ah! Sorry for the duplicate post

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OP for your puppy class problems I would definitely work on impulse control. Start somewhere with very few distractions in your house and do a lot of training there. Once you are confident he will listen up the distractions. Practice in the backyard and then front yard. When he can listen there you could go outside of the dog park or the building where your puppy classes are and work your way closer to the other dogs until he can pay attention with other dogs next to him.

It will take some work to get him to that point but if he can't pay attention at all in puppy classes then he is being given too much too soon. You could even ask your trainer if they would be willing to a one on one class in the beginning so you can work your way up to a class with other puppies.

And trust me, every dog owner has felt like they will never have a well behaved dog! Just be patient and start small. Before you know it you will laugh that you ever questioned it.
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