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Old 07-11-2019, 08:21 AM
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New puppy: does he need a companion?

Hi all, I'm the owner of a new GSD male puppy. Also first time dog owner.


We're a suburban family of four. As a working couple with busy jobs and kids in school all day long plus classes in the evenings, I know we won't be able to spend as much time with our puppy as he might need.

Heck, he'd probably love it if we worked/played with him 10 hr/day!



We're building a small play pen for him in the kitchen area plus he spends a lot of time on our deck with his toys. Also we have a large fenced in backyard (maybe 1/10th of an acre for the backyard).



So work days are busy but holidays are better when we'd walk him more, take him to a dog park, got for hikes etc.


I saw him play with his two siblings yesterday when we went back to the kennel for a visit and that made me realize we could never play with him as much.


So I'm thinking of getting a second GSD puppy, a girl. That way he'll have a companion for life.

Also I'm ethically conflicted about snipping away his stuff so maybe if he has a girl they could have litters as well.


So what are your thoughts about getting a companion and also not getting them spayed/neutered?


Thanks
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:54 AM
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Iídsay you would be compounding your issues on both counts. Itís quite hard to train two dogs and although they enjoy play dates itís so much more work and they will both crave individual attention. Iíd be very reluctant to leave a dog intact unless you are an experienced breeder and can manage the multitude of related issues plus give lots and lots of time to raising a litter. Read the posts by Lovemyfosters to see whatís involved.

Instead think about long lasting toys, puzzles, and training to keep your puppy content and if you are all out each day, perhaps a dog walker who can take the dog to the park while you are at work?


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Old 07-11-2019, 09:45 AM
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It's strongly recommended to wait until your first dog is a stable adult to get a second dog, so they both properly bond to you more than to each other. Plus two puppies is a LOT of work.
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You want to be your dog's companion. Although they love to play with other dogs, you want to bond with your puppy. Getting a female puppy and expecting them to live together and not breed too young is not going to work. Their first season is around 6-9 months, way to young to be bred and there is no way you are going to keep them apart for the female's first two or three seasons when they have been together from the time they are puppies. Not a good idea at all.
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Is your post some kind of joke?

[QUOTE=skm.sa100;3620233]Hi all, I'm the owner of a new GSD male puppy. Also first time dog owner.
So I'm thinking of getting a second GSD puppy, a girl. That way he'll have a companion for life.
Also I'm ethically conflicted about snipping away his stuff so maybe if he has a girl they could have litters as well.
So what are your thoughts about getting a companion and also not getting them spayed/neutered?

Response: I spent many years involved with a livestock guardian breed and their club and also mixed breed dog placement. This is your first dog and you are already thinking about breeding the animal without a shred of knowledge about dogs in general or GSD breed specific knowledge, genetics, set up to raise a litter, placement or the fact that you are responsible for taking back the dogs you breed for their lifetime. With being your first dog you lack the most basic understanding of the responsibilities and eithics associated with breeding animals. Your dog isn't a puppy machine. The dog is your companion. Before thinking about another dog the one you have belongs in puppy obedience class and adult classes so you and your dog have a life long bond and mutual trust.

Do not breed any dog unless the animal is breed quality and your dog is a champion in dog shows where expert judges chose your dog in conformation shows. If you purchased your dog through a breeder you received registration papers to register with tthe AKC. The papers will indicate if the breeder determined the dog to be breed quality or pet quality based on the AKC breed standard. https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/german-shepherd-dog/

Another fact is that if you live on R-1 property there is probably a 3 dog limit in your city.

My advise is to start your with puppy class at Petco or Petsmart. They excel with working with new pet owners. Don't get a second dog. Just enjoy and properly raise the one you have now. You indicate you have a busy life. It's more busy with a dog to raise and exercise daily.
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Do as I say, not as I do, lol.

I have two puppies even though I already know that this is not ideal for either of them and in general a very BAD idea. Laurel adores Chocolate and couldn't have been happier when she realized the other dog was not going home and was going to be a forever part of our family.

This is very rare and a Laurel thing not a puppy thing.

Regardless of my weird dog, Chocolate is NOT a companion for Laurel to make her life easier, she is a second dog for me to be responsible for. Laurel has backslid in her obedience so far that I almost need to sign her up for Basic Obedience all over again. Chocolate came to us with such horrible separation anxiety and littermate syndrome that she would have been euthanized if we hadn't taken her in.

I am retired and have no children or other pets or I couldn't have done this, but dogs are more like human kids than they are like kittens: two puppies isn't twice the work, it's exponentially more work. The financial end of it is much, much harder since dogs are most expensive during puppyhood and during their "retirement years". What is in Chocolate's best interest is not always in Laurel's best interests.

I have new respect for dogs and wonder how on earth mother dogs manage litters of four and eight puppies without going stark raving mad.

You're a working couple with two kids in school. It's too much to ask of yourselves. When he is two years old would be a good time to consider getting a second dog if and only if you love being a dog owner enough to want to do puppyhood all over again.

As far as the ethical issues of neutering are concerned, let's talk privately; this is controversial and I have already been flamed here for being happy, even though I do not think I have the resources to keep either of my girls intact as much as I wish I could.

You'll need to grow an even thicker skin for your boy, since he will be visibly intact and random strangers may stop you on the street to share their opinions with you, lol.

You don't have to make up your mind right away since your vet has undoubtedly told you the reasons why your GSD does not need and should not be neutered quite as early as standard practice is with smaller breeds.

You are obviously a caring and compassionate person who has the resources, curiosity, research skills, and independant thinking/thick skin to provide your boy with an exceptionally good life. Dog ownership is much more challenging in the 21st century than it was for us when we were kids. Thinking about controversial issues is a good thing, not a bad thing.
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ETA:ETA: I do not recomment Petco or Petsmart for puppy classes. Find a reputable trainer and skip your second cup of coffee or whatever other luxury you can do without to pay the trainer. It's an investment in your dog. Chain stores hire well-meaning but inexperienced college students. Ours was neither safe nor helpful for Laurel. The trainer we used instead cost $50 for puppy class, iirc, and another $50 for basic obedience BUT this led to meeting other likeminded dog people and eventually a free get-together every week to practice skills for the Canine Good Citizenship test and a Tricks title. We helped our trainer train her apprentice and found ourselves a community.
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Hi all, I'm the owner of a new GSD male puppy. Also first time dog owner.

Also I'm ethically conflicted about snipping away his stuff so maybe if he has a girl they could have litters as well.

So what are your thoughts about getting a companion and also not getting them spayed/neutered?


Thanks
Sam
My own dog is a German Shepherd. She's 1 1/2 now.

My thoughts about getting a companion...

I'm conflicted on that. But, I think if you're able to handle two financially (regular vet care, insurance, dental..) and give them plenty of attention, love, exercise, etc, and not just leave them to their own devices then I think having a companion is what any dog would prefer. They get to wrestle around and chase each other and they'll get a lot more exercise with two.

However, that's twice the damage to everything too. Puppies can be very destructive. Chewing up cords, furniture, carpet etc. They chew anything and everything.

My thoughts on spay/neuter.... I too thought it would be "cute" to have my dog have puppies. Puppies are adorable. I get it. HOWEVER...educate yourself on how many of these cute puppies and dogs get put down because of overpopulation. Look on a classified site and you'll see ad after ad of people giving dogs away for free because they no longer want them. Visit a local rescue or shelter and look at the dogs behind the bars that are waiting for a family of their own.

When you educate yourself on the reality of homeless and unwanted pets then the idea of adding more dogs to that situation isn't so rosy and sweet anymore.

I don't think there is a big ethical dilemma over neutering a dog. Sorry, but that seems more like an excuse. What dilemma? Your dog will be happier, safer and welcomed more around other dogs than if he's not neutered.

"Spaying helps prevent uterine infections and breast tumors, which are malignant or cancerous in about 50 percent of dogs and 90 percent of cats. Spaying your pet before her first heat offers the best protection from these diseases. Neutering your male companion prevents testicular cancer and some prostate problems."

I used to be more reserved expressing my opinion on spay and neuter, but you know what? People need to be more outspoken. People need to advocate for the millions of dogs that are being put down every year. We need to advocate for the dogs that are homeless and in shelters. When I think about a dog having one litter of maybe 8 puppies, that equal 8 dogs in a shelter that may die because they don't get a home. But then if your dog has even a few more litters then you've contributed adding 25 or more dogs to the population, and if even a quarter of those puppies have their own puppies then you end up being directly responsible for hundreds of dogs being added to the massive overpopulation problem.

It's always better to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

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Hi there!


Do you have a source of this, or can tell me from *when* you have these information?


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I don't think there is a big ethical dilemma over neutering a dog. Sorry, but that seems more like an excuse. What dilemma? Your dog will be happier, safer and welcomed more around other dogs than if he's not neutered.



I ask, because the latest information I got here (not the forum, Germany) is that neutering isn't as useful as it was believed to be.


There are articles that show, that more neutered dogs get certain types of cancer (obviously not the ones attacking the cut out parts), even though it's low percentage - same goes for the cancer that attacks the testicles or the uterus.


Female dogs, especially when they're from a bigger race, also can get... I don't know the English term, but they might "leak" urine, which would need medication.



It's also proven, that neutering a dog musn't make it better around other dogs; quite the contrary: If they're out of luck, male neutered dogs gets bitten and mounted by not neutered dogs more often.


Here it's actually forbidden to neuter your dog, unless (s)he's sick or there is a *good* reason for it.
And no, hope of them being less "hyper"active isn't, convenience, because they roam or something neither.


Reasons would be, if a male dog suffers due to his hormones or is incredible aggressive towards other dogs.
Most doctors also would do, if there are two dogs (one make, one female) in one household.




When I got my boy last year, the plan was to have him neutered as well.
Then I looked up some more current articles and spoke to my vet, and changed my mind within a couple of days.


Unless my dog will "lose against his hormones" or would suddenly get aggressive against other dogs and training won't work, he will stay intact.
Which is certainly the trend here for some years now.






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...then you end up being directly responsible for hundreds of dogs being added to the massive overpopulation problem.
Don't get me wrong and I do get the point you're trying to make.


But the above is rather emotional thinking.


First of, no one is directly responsible for dogs in shelters getting put down, because a great grandchild or whatever of the own dog, gets puppies.


I also really doubt, that you just can calculate: One puppy life equals one dog life in a shelter.
Because someone gets a certain puppy, that doesn't mean that otherwise the same person would get a dog from a shelter.


Again, I do get your point, but I think it lacks some logic.


But that's not subject of the thread anyway ^^

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Hi all, I'm the owner of a new GSD male puppy. Also first time dog owner.


We're a suburban family of four. As a working couple with busy jobs and kids in school all day long plus classes in the evenings, I know we won't be able to spend as much time with our puppy as he might need.

Heck, he'd probably love it if we worked/played with him 10 hr/day!



We're building a small play pen for him in the kitchen area plus he spends a lot of time on our deck with his toys. Also we have a large fenced in backyard (maybe 1/10th of an acre for the backyard).



So work days are busy but holidays are better when we'd walk him more, take him to a dog park, got for hikes etc.


I saw him play with his two siblings yesterday when we went back to the kennel for a visit and that made me realize we could never play with him as much.


So I'm thinking of getting a second GSD puppy, a girl. That way he'll have a companion for life.

Also I'm ethically conflicted about snipping away his stuff so maybe if he has a girl they could have litters as well.


So what are your thoughts about getting a companion and also not getting them spayed/neutered?


Thanks
Sam
I would advise you to read the following book before you undertake this. It could work out well for you but on the same token there are potential pitfalls to what you are suggesting as well.

This book will help you become more informed and it would be a good idea to read it before introducing another dog into this mix.

https://www.amazon.com/Decoding-Your.../dp/0544334604
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