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Old 04-15-2012, 12:22 PM
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If it were me, I'd be suing the original rescue who did not convey material info to you that might have affected your decision.
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:13 PM
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I'm not sure why you are so angry when people are trying to help you. Leave the forum if it suits you; euthanize the dog if it suits you.

FWIW obedience and behavior modification are two very different things. I think that is what our members are trying to say. You have a lot of experience – that is great. You probably know how to train dogs better than I do. You are probably more experienced in dog obedience that most members here.

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Old 04-16-2012, 08:26 AM
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Wow, an expert dog trainer, and you are considering euthanizing a dog for simple dog aggression? You really shouldn't discount people that you know nothing about. You would be surprised of the experience on this board. I mean, I dont train pets in obedience, only working dogs in detection, protection, tracking, trailing, hrd, disaster, directionals. Mostly I deal with malinois and dutch shepherds, who of course are not ever dog or people aggressive, of any other behavioral problems, and are just a breeze to deal with. But I only have 13 at the moment. So what do I know.
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:12 PM
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Wow, an expert dog trainer, and you are considering euthanizing a dog for simple dog aggression? You really shouldn't discount people that you know nothing about. You would be surprised of the experience on this board. I mean, I dont train pets in obedience, only working dogs in detection, protection, tracking, trailing, hrd, disaster, directionals. Mostly I deal with malinois and dutch shepherds, who of course are not ever dog or people aggressive, of any other behavioral problems, and are just a breeze to deal with. But I only have 13 at the moment. So what do I know.
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I don't think you are going to get the results you are hoping for if you lecture people in that manner.
If your goal is to make this person feel bad and yourself feel good, go right on. If your goal is to help this dog, then use positive reinforcement methods on the owner.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:10 PM
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Lucille, I tried that. Read the entire post. I get frustrated with people who are " dog trainers" yet can't figure out basic problems with dogs. The poster came here asking for advice. Then boasted about her experience, and how no one understands. Then discredits anyone offering sound advice.

Any person that is a dog trainer should be constantly learning. No one dog is the same. If the method you think you know isn't working, then try others. When you think you know it all, then the dogs pay the price.

Positive reinforcement methods don't work so well with owners like this. I have no need for an internet forum to make me " feel good about myself" lol. Yes my opinion above is harsh, but good grief, is any other method getting through? Euthanasia should be the last resort.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:02 PM
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Positive reinforcement methods don't work so well with owners like this.
You seem to be telling me that if you try positive reinforcement methods and they don't work, it is OK to go ahead and beat the dog.....
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Haha no. Positive reinforcement on the owner not the dog. I already gave an example of how I am working one pup through her issues. You can read the post. How did you get I said its ok to beat the dog? I very rarely use any correction. I will if all other methods fail, and if the dog will respond. Sometimes there are dogs that would rather eat the handlers arm off than be distracted by a treat however. Then verbal corrections and sometimes a pole are used. Have you seen a catch pole which keeps the dog out of reach of the handler? Just to be clear that isn't mistaken as using a pole to beat the dog with.
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If it were me, I'd be suing the original rescue who did not convey material info to you that might have affected your decision.
Sue the rescue for what? For the new owner not properly assessing the dog prior to adopting? It's a dog, which can be unpredictable. Maybe the dog didn't react or was not put into a situation where it showed aggression.
It's very unfortunate the dog is showing dog aggression. Even more unfortunate the dog is considered being killed. You can't just take someone's word anymore.
I had a pup that was sold to a department. The handler had never handled a malinois, and when I called two weeks after the purchase all was great. Two months later the handler informed me the pup was nuts, and people aggressive. I know my dogs, didn't add up. I drove eight hours to buy the pup back, and to see the training. Long story short, poor handling and terrible training had this six month old snapping at everyone. Dog came back, worked on his training, he is in north Carolina now working great going to schools doing demos.
You can't just jump to conclusions without knowing all the aspects, hence why people are worried about giving advice on dogs they haven't seen.
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Yea.....go ahead and try and sue a rescue lol Let me tell you, they may have only had the info they provided. Not all rescues/shelters introduce dogs to other dogs in a setting like a home or park.
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I mean, I dont train pets in obedience, only working dogs in detection, protection, tracking, trailing, hrd, disaster, directionals. Mostly I deal with malinois and dutch shepherds, who of course are not ever dog or people aggressive, of any other behavioral problems, and are just a breeze to deal with. But I only have 13 at the moment. So what do I know.

I do not know why you are here, I think it has something to do with a poor self image because you parade what you have at the drop of a hat instead of doing what many of the rest of us do, which is try to help people so that they can try to help their dogs.

I suspect you will get more and more dogs, and assert more and more superiority, until the fateful day that you realize that no one will ever look up to you because they clearly see that their only possible view is the sole of your boot stepping on them.

This is a wakeup call for you. Change your attitude and I'm sure people will forgive and forget and welcome you into the fold. Don't change, and you are headed for personal disaster.

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