New to EM breed and this forum

Go Back   Dog Forum > DogForum Community Welcome > Introductions

New to EM breed and this forum

This is a discussion on New to EM breed and this forum within the Introductions forums, part of the DogForum Community Welcome category; Hi all! My name is Lisa and our family has just adopted a 5 month old male English Mastiff named Loki. He was actually my ...

User Tag List

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By Bordercollie

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-06-2014, 01:19 AM
  #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
New to EM breed and this forum

Hi all! My name is Lisa and our family has just adopted a 5 month old male English Mastiff named Loki. He was actually my daughters dog with her fiance and two small children. When they decided they didn't have the time or energy to deal with him, we were more than happy to welcome him into our family. I don't necessarily agree with some of the ways they dealt with his behaviours though and now I'm needing help with how to deal with some things. He's pretty much used to doing what he wants, having free food and spending a lot of time in the crate. Since we've had him, he gets fed 3 times a day with free water, spends most of his day out of his crate and going places with us, and us being the judge as to whether he gets to do what he wants. He has challenged me though with growling and snapping at me when I tell him to go to his crate and I'm not sure what to do. I know he's been hit and I don't want to do that, but how do I make him do what I say? When I tried to force him to move, that's when he snapped at me. Please help us with any suggestions you may have. We'd love to have him stay with us but I can't have him ruling the household and I can't be in fear around him either. Thanks in advance.

Lisa in IL
iluvmymastiff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2014, 04:00 AM
  #2
Senior Member
 
Bordercollie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Jeffrey's Bay, South Africa
Posts: 713
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Lisa, start by reading the stickies in the behaviour section. They'll give you some great info and a good head start. Hitting a dog is never nice and probably not a good idea when said dog is a mastiff. Crates must be made to be the greatest place on earth. Try and only put him in there when he's tired and then give him a nice stuffed kong or a nice big bone or some chew toys to keep him occupied. NEVER use his crate as a punishment. Then he will never learn to love it and always resist going in there. If he gives you trouble for example moving when you tell him too, keep a short leash on him, do not confront him, just take the leash and move him that way, then reward like crazy if he moved where you wanted him too.
Sounds like you've already made a lot of positive changes in his life. Good luck and keep the faith. Everyone here will tell you with furry little landsharks aka puppies things usually get worse around the six month mark, but it does turn again. And when it does you'll be glad you stuck with them.
JudyG likes this.
Bordercollie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2014, 12:13 PM
  #3
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thank you. I'm reading a lot and trying to reward anytime he does what I wanted him to. I made the mistake of letting him know that he could get by with growling and snapping so now I'm doing damage control. I believe though, that the longer we stay together and the more I reward for good behavior, the better it will get. Now, I have to get him and my bull mastiff/beagle mix indoor dog to behave together.
iluvmymastiff is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 08-06-2014, 01:27 PM
  #4
Senior Member
 
Bordercollie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Jeffrey's Bay, South Africa
Posts: 713
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by iluvmymastiff View Post
I made the mistake of letting him know that he could get by with growling and snapping so now I'm doing damage control.
There is such a thing as rather safe than sorry. I'd rather be doing damage control than be visiting the ER.
Bordercollie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2014, 04:29 AM
  #5
Senior Member
 
Megs87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: CA
Posts: 1,519
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Please, please, please do not punish your dog for growling. It's likely why you're seeing snapping. It's also what could lead to an E.R. visit, much more quickly than you would heeding his growls and giving him alternative behaviors. Punishing his growling, his only means of communicating his uncomfortability, fear, anxiety or other emotions, will only create even more of a negative association with you, the crate, and anything else he's experiencing at the time.

This is not his way of challenging you. Dogs do not challenge humans, do not 'dominate' them, or try to rule the household in any way. Any behavior you're seeing from your new dog, is not a result of a lack of respect. It is the human's job, when bringing a dog into their home, to teach the dog what is ok and what is not ok. They otherwise have no clue what is expected of them, and every behavior they exhibit is just a normal, natural dog behavior that no one has taught the dog not to do yet.

He's simply showing you with his language, that he does not want to do what you are trying to do to him, which is put him in his crate. Per his past, he's likely created many negative associations with things that may not seem obvious as first. I'm glad to hear you are aware that hitting a dog achieves nothing but abuse in the name of "training", and are not willing to do that. It does not teach the dog anything, except fear of humans and anything that was associated with the incident, and I'm disheartened that such a young puppy was hit, no matter the size.

However, punishing growling is not productive either. To get him to listen to you in general, you need to be engaging, and rewarding his attention to you. Once you begin to engage with him, and teach him how to give you attention, getting him to move for you or go in his crate should be easier. If he refuses to go to his crate, do not physically force him. Instead, use something he finds rewarding, to call him to you. Throughout the day, reward his coming to you, his attention to you, and his good behavior. If he growls, he is uncomfortable, and using something he likes to get him moving, is much more productive than punishing his growls. Again, you won't change his emotional state, and simply create more of a negative association, and in a dog of this [eventual] size, that can be dangerous.

Again again lol, he is not trying to rule the household, in any way. Any behaviors he's exhibiting are being reinforced in some way, so alternative behaviors need to be reinforced instead. And there is no need to fear his growling, he's simply communicating. Use positive reinforcement to teach him what you want him to do without making him uncomfortable, will help his behavior, as well as your bond with him. If you haven't had him long, as in under at least a month, then he's also likely very confused, frustrated, and possibly a little grumpy. Dogs don't tend to show their "true colors" for awhile after arriving.

Here are some informative articles for you:

Understanding Dog Growling and Dog Language - Whole Dog Journal Article

Thank your dog for growling - Orlando Dog Training and Behavior | Examiner.com

Respect the Growl « Success Just Clicks

"How can I correct the growl?" « Success Just Clicks

Three Ways to Confuse a New Dog

Are you familiar with clicker training? You can also use a marker word. Here are some videos on how to begin training, eye contact/attention, crate training games (so he always loves his crate), and calming signals and the positive interrupter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiMGJBxRtBw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wv1uvvqaSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgnLgHFRJu4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRT6r6d79OU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUzF0g0PwY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUzF0g0PwY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvPaqMZyo8

Stickies to read:

https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...nce-dogs-4076/

(ETA: Didn't see this one, it covers all of what I just said lol.)

https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...rowling-86338/

ETA: I think it's possible that the reason he is refusing to go back into his crate has something to do with being able to be outside of his crate more often. He may have found that more rewarding, and doesn't necessarily want to go back in it at certain times. Here's the crate training thread, as you may want to go a few steps back in his crate training and make his crate more rewarding for him:

https://www.dogforum.com/training-beh...ning-faq-3974/

Also, feel free to start another thread on the subject of he and the existing dog getting along. There are some great resources out there about how to introduce dogs, and I can't find a link ATM. Just go slowwww. Do not force them to constantly interact, and give your existing dog time to himself, as well as time with you. Oh, and we'd love to see pics of your pup! I love me some Mastiffs.
Megs87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.