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Old 01-06-2012, 06:03 PM
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need good advice please our young dog is geting agressive and biting us we think she is playingbecause she is wagging her tail but if you try andstop her she bares her teeth and bites harder she is a beautiful irish setter ruby ruu ruu and is 9 mths old please help usthanks
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She is probably playing. At this age it shoudl be under control. What are you doing to stop her from biting?
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Old 01-07-2012, 06:25 AM
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need good advice please our young dog is geting agressive and biting us we think she is playingbecause she is wagging her tail but if you try andstop her she bares her teeth and bites harder she is a beautiful irish setter ruby ruu ruu and is 9 mths old please help usthanks
Tommy, first thing to do is redirect her to a TOY. Never use your hands to wrestle with her, always use a toy. If she is clamped onto your hand, stop moving, and gently use a soft toy to push her mouth off of you, and onto the toy.

You need a crash course on puppy raising. Here are a couple of books for you. Also, go read a bunch of the threads in the puppy section. There is loads of stuff there on "puppy biting."

The number one thing you need to do around a puppy is BE CALM. Mostly puppies get too excited and bitey when people get them all worked up with high pitched voices and busy hands. Learn to quiet your body and voice. The more she gets excited, the slower you move and the quieter your voice.

Always have a toy to put in the puppy's mouth in your hand.

Amazon.com: The Puppy Primer (9781891767135): Patricia B. McConnell, Ph.D., Brenda Scidmore: Books Amazon.com: The Puppy Primer (9781891767135): Patricia B. McConnell, Ph.D., Brenda Scidmore: Books

Amazon.com: Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog (9781577314554): Dr. Ian Dunbar: Books Amazon.com: Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog (9781577314554): Dr. Ian Dunbar: Books
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thanks so muchfor the help Tess we certainly will try that as someone in work told me to hit her nose -- worst thing i could have done because that made her worse and i felt so bad anyway but lets try toy approach !!

I wonder if you could help with another problem, sorry.
we take ruby out for 2-3 hours a day, she used to come back as soon as we called her but now she is pleasing herselfand we know this has to be nipped in the bud.thanks tess it means a lot because we want make good ownersas we already love her so much,she is our baby girl!!
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hi thanksfor your reply.

we try to stop her by saying no but she justs goes more aggressive i made the mistake of hittinommy an g her nose-- she bared her teeth and went vicious so we know now thats not the answer it upset us and her.Ruby also attacks us when walking through large open fields she jumps up and bites at our arms, funny though not when she is in streets or the park paths so we can't work that one out?? thanks a lot tommy and chris
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thanks so muchfor the help Tess we certainly will try that as someone in work told me to hit her nose -- worst thing i could have done because that made her worse and i felt so bad anyway but lets try toy approach !!

I wonder if you could help with another problem, sorry.
we take ruby out for 2-3 hours a day, she used to come back as soon as we called her but now she is pleasing herselfand we know this has to be nipped in the bud.thanks tess it means a lot because we want make good ownersas we already love her so much,she is our baby girl!!
Most advice you are going to get from people is going to be wrong. Seriously! The "popular knowledge" out there based on "pack structure" and "dominance" will lead you down a bad path.

Anytime anyone tells you to be rough or harsh with your puppy, ignore them!

So always be gentle and calm with a puppy. They are BABIES. just like a small human child, they need guidance and gentleness in order to learn what to do. But also understand that just like human babies, they do not have much self control yet. For example, human babies want to put everything in their mouths, just like puppies, and you don't expect to be able to "train" a human baby to not want to do this until they are older.

For starters, get those books and read up!

Meanwhile, I don't have time to write you a long answer right now, but I will do so later tonight.

As far as the "come" word, you work on that by REWARDING her when she comes! So get in the habit of carrying puppy treats in your pocket. Every time she comes (even if you don't call her at first) give her a small treat, even just a piece of kibble.

Gotta go do supper now, but I'll get back to you in a couple of hours....
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thanks tess great advice which we fullu intend to follow.

hope you had a nice supper we have just finished ours chips,egg and garden peas! very nice.

we did actuallyused to take tretas out for her when we first got her (6 weeks ago) and that did work so we just naturally thought that was it she would just come back to us anyway so there's another lesson learnt, repeat, repeat and repeat!

i feel badadding another bit of a problem ruby does not like her dog food and we feel she just isn't eating enough. i have started cooking mince and mixing that with biscuits and tinned dog food but she still isn't overkean, she is always on the scrounge looking for bits of food ! What a naughty little girl she is, well she's not little she is already big but absolutely beautiful.People always comment on her when we take her out so we are very proud of our Ruby !

got to go and check what she is upto now!!speak soon
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The greatest recommendation I can encourage you to follow is to try "clicker training", otherwise known as "positive reinforcement training. Its pretty easy to get the basics mastered.

Then you can start to teach her anything with this technique!

Get yourself a treat pouch and a clicker, and work the training into daily life. When you are with her, every once in a while call her to you, click then treat! Ask her to sit before you take her out.... c/t. Ask her to sit before feeding... c/t.

What you will find is that she becomes a much better listener. She will always be looking for ways to get your approval and the c/t sequence. She will build all sorts of habits that you like.

9 months is still a very young dog, so she still needs lots of guidance/training to mature into the sort of adult dog you hope to have. Dogs are not really fully mature until 2, 3, even 4 years for some breeds. So its very much worthwhile to continue to work with her to build the patterns you want.

If you are in to books, here is THE book on how animals learn.

Amazon.com: Don't Shoot the Dog!: The New Art of Teaching and Training (9781860542381): Karen Pryor: Books Amazon.com: Don't Shoot the Dog!: The New Art of Teaching and Training (9781860542381): Karen Pryor: Books


HERE is an expert using these methods. Go ahead and watch a few of her videos. Just in watching you can learn how to do this.

Notice how calm the trainer is, and the sort of nice, calm response she is getting from the dogs. There is no force, no nose smacking, no concern about "dominance" or any of that mumbo jumbo!

kikopup's Channel - YouTube


Hope some of that helps. Give it a try and come back with more questions.
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Ruby also attacks us when walking through large open fields she jumps up and bites at our arms, funny though not when she is in streets or the park paths so we can't work that one out?? thanks a lot tommy and chris

Hmm... is she all excited? It may be that she is feeling nervous or over stimulated from running in the fields? Its hard to tell from your description.

In any case the solution is the same... stand absolutely STILL! Cross your arms over your chest, freeze in place, don't say anything. In a few minutes, she will realize that all her fussing is not getting any response from you and she'll stop and look at you like "what?" At that instant tell her "good dog!" and give her a treat immediately.

Do this every time she gets this way, and over time you'll find she stops her jumping and biting sooner and sooner.

Eventually, you can ask her for a "sit" before she even gets started being all jumpy. Work on the "sit" word in easy places first, such as at home, then your yard, then on walks, until it becomes very much a quick response.

Remember, keep your "commands" very happy and positive, and keep up the Reinforcement when she does what you ask (that is, give her a small treat). This will keep her motivation up much better than the old fashioned way of training by getting "stern" or "deep voiced" with her.

From your earlier description about her baring her teeth when you smacked her, it seems you have a sensitive dog who is easily frightened into thinking she needs to defend herself. So keep all the training positive and fun.

Remember also that she is still very young, and very distractable. Both her age and her breed make her an active, busy dog. So don't expect perfect behavior in stimulating surroundings at first. Do lots and lots and lots of practice in your home, yard and other familiar places, gradually adding distractions.

Training takes many weeks and months, but you will find with this positive way that both you and the dog enjoy it, and you should see a bit of progress all along.

Hope that is encouraging!

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oh yes we feel really positive now and are looking forward to start our training programme.

i will keep you posted Tess once again thank you for the lengthsyou have taken to advise us in the best possible way.

good night Tess and take care :}
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