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Old 05-22-2016, 04:04 PM
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Opinions on importing dogs from other countries for adoption

I'm just curious what other people think about this as it's recently become an issue. I don't know if any of you heard but the Humane Society International recently imported about 250 or so dogs from a meat farm in Korea and they have since been distributed to many shelters across the US for adoption. Hordes of people have come forward to adopt these dogs, many of which understandably have psychological problems.

While I think it's nice these dogs are getting a home...I just, I don't understand why so much money and effort was spent on transporting these dogs when there are still millions of dogs in need in our own country, or even US possession like Puerto Rico. Not only are these dogs closer and cheaper to transport, they're less likely to have dangerous parasites and diseases that dogs in some other countries have. And a lot of them are less psychologically shot than these meat dogs will be. I also think it's unfair so many people line up to adopt these dogs and yet they look over so many other dogs who were born here and are more mentally sound and healthier.

Also, while I don't like the dog meat trade in how they often steal people's pets... I feel like Western cultures going into other countries and telling them the way they live and the animals they eat is wrong is just imperialistic and not ok. I mean can you imagine if other countries tried to tell Americans as a whole they need to completely stop the beef and pork industry? Would not go down well.

But meat farm dogs aside, I just think that dogs in the home country should be given priority, even if transport between states/provinces is involved. What do you think? And if you live outside North America is this something that happens in your country too?
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All dogs in that situation tug at my heart.

I think in a larger context, people make this same argument when they think that the US should not allow people, particularly those in difficulties because of political situations, to emigrate here.
While it is true there is expense involved, and there are plenty of needy dogs here, I always think of the inscription on the Statue of Liberty:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I have a heart for homeless and abused dogs, everywhere.
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Old 05-22-2016, 06:13 PM
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The dogs will probably be 'clean' having to have to go through quarantine, so I don't think that's an issue.

I also think that instead of looking at man made 'borders' we shouldn't be so parochial in trying to help others find solutions to some problems. There will be, regardless of whether or not 250 dogs are shipped in, millions of fine nice dogs put to sleep anyways....250 compared to millions is an absolutely minute number.

I took in a dog from outside of my town that had major issues just because I loved her looks. This meant that some dog here in town, with mental/emotional probably won't have a home now, or even get put to sleep because I didn't chose it. It's not something that can be easily fixed or justified...it is what it is.

As far as the money...if there are people out there with the funds and they know what they want to do with their money, then that's also kind of something that is hard to say is wrong. Like me, I spent my money on a rescue to adopt Jaya and don't think I was wrong to do so....maybe some here in my small town might argue otherwise....that I should have supported my local shelter and handed over adoption fees to them for a dog.

I guess what I'm getting at, is as long as some dog, somewhere is rescued, and ends up with a good home...then it should be celebrated, and in the meantime, hopefully countries like Korea and the USA will continue to try to improve the lots of those less fortunate animals.

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I have mixed feelings about it. I've noticed that people are drawn to animals with "sob stories", and have a desire to adopt a "real rescue" as opposed to going down to the no-kill shelter and adopting a generic looking dog with no back story. Not always, but many times, the stories attached to the dogs coming from other countries are exaggerated to make the stories sound more heartbreaking. This helps the dogs find homes faster after they arrive in their new country, which is good for them, but not so good for the dogs that had been and continued to sit in the rescue facility because they had no special story attached to them.

There is a rescue here in Taiwan that occasionally sends dogs to the US and Canada. A few years ago Dogster did an article on two of those dogs and it made no sense at all to me due to the exaggerations (one being that the dogs had been employed by the government as mountain guides!!). I'm sure those dogs are happily adopted by now, although no follow up story was done that I could find. I certainly hope they are not still sitting in the rescue they were imported to.

One good thing Taiwan is doing is revamping it's shelter's. It's a slow process, but there is progress in some areas. Adoption is already up due to public education and better facilities. No, the majority are still not up to par with most American shelters, but better than before. I think Taiwan has no need to send it's dogs overseas to find homes (unless someone finds a dog on the rescue website and is willing to pay for it to be shipped, I don't have a problem with that), they have other things they should be spending the money on, such as improving the facilities and paying vets to care for the dogs that are injured or have treatable medical conditions. I do not agree with having a rescue or shelter pay from their own donations to send a dog overseas and not having a home already lined up.
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I opened this post thinking it was going to be about importing purebreds from around the world - that I have ZERO issue with and think it's fabulous for improving the genetic variety within breeds.

For the importing of rescues...meh, I'm of the opinion that if it helps out dogs then overall it's a positive. It's private funding, the dogs will have to pass health inspections, etc so I don't see much harm. It seems a bit silly to me to go across the ocean for a rescue when, as you say, there are lots of dogs in need here -- but to each their own.

I'm in northwestern Europe and nearly every single adopt-able dog here is brought in from eastern Europe, Turkey/Hungary, or southern Europe (Spain, Greece, Portugal). Dog populations are a problem there while they aren't a problem here, so it makes sense to redistribute the excess dogs to where the demand is.

You see it in the US too, dogs being shipped from poorer/more rural areas to wealthier/more urban areas for adoption. My first family dog as a kid had been shipped up from some random town in West Virginia to the New England area for adoption. I don't think throwing in an aritificial construct such as a country border should change that "market" process.

However, there are the large transportation costs associated with shipping rescues over the Pacific. Not just monetary, but environmental as well. But, if these dogs are being shipped over in large enough numbers, I think the benefit to the dogs outweighs the environmental costs.

I don't *get* why people prefer to adopt a dog from a different continent (seems inefficient to me), but I don't have an issue with it.
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Personally, I don't really like it. We have plenty of dogs in need here, and importing them is incredibly expensive. It just seems like we should be addressing the problems closer to home. We can't fix everyone's problems. Humans are another matter, we should help all we can(within our limits), but dogs I don't think can in good conscience be shipped into a country with overflowing shelters.

Also, I don't think we even really need to rescue dogs from the meat trade. Do I like that people eat dogs? Heck no. I would never dream of doing that, and I wouldn't ever want it allowed here. But their culture is different, and I could never say that eating dogs is morally wrong. Obviously stealing pets for the meat trade is wrong, but that's a separate issue.

If someone wants to pay out of their own pocket to rescue a dog from another country, so be it. There's nothing wrong with that. But I don't think that's where the focus should be.
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I could never say that eating dogs is morally wrong.
Western tourists fuelling demand for 'abhorrent' dog meat trade in Southeast Asia, activists say | Asia | News | The Independent
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I'm happy to oppose dog meat because I don't see any humane way of raising dogs in great numbers. Most meat comes from herd animals for good reason. I'm lucky to come from a country where grass feeding is the norm so the animals can roam and have a decent quality of life, stall feeding freaks me out. I can't imagine the cost of raising a carnivor to a decent size with room for a decent quality of life and I suspect that dogs raised for meat end up in overcrowded kennels.
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I personally agree with Chas, large numbers of dogs in crate feeding etc etc.... Nature of a cannine in these conditions would undoubtedly end in fights and harm to eachother.
On subject of importing dogs, they may not be suitable for everyone but, all the working dogs taken over to Iraq, Afghanistan are abandoned over there as cost to bringing them home is to much. However if you have the money you can get in touch with the MOD here in UK or Military in America and pay to have these Hero's brought home. Like I said these dogs are not for everyone.
Here's an artical.
They say charity starts at home in the UK.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...jonah-goldberg
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I didn't realize military dogs were being abandoned in the Middle East, that's awful. It's a different story if it's an American or English dog that was brought there and needs to be brought home, rather than a dog born in a foreign country that's being imported for adoption.

They say "charity starts at home" here too. It's a commonly misunderstood quote. Often people thinking it means you need to be charitable to your own family/home before others but actually it means you're supposed to learn to be charitable as a child, in the home.
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