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Old 09-22-2017, 04:54 PM
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Also, I have to agree with what another poster said, that if you never wanted this dog to have a litter, she should have been spayed.
You CANNOT show an altered dog. It's against the rules for most championship shows. They must be intact.

The OP should have kept a female in season separated from the males. That's kind of common sense I thought. Something might not always happen, but there is a possibility, so ther should have took preventative action.
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Yes I have learned my lesson Thank you everyone :-):-)
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Question Did i misunderstand?

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Chances are she probably isn't pregnant ... I meant for it to be a happy thing ...

... if she does have puppies, I'm going to celebrate it, just like I would a child coming into the world.

It probably was wrong of me ...[not] separating Ms from Fs... but it's done now...
The puppies won't go anywhere but my family who I know can take care of huskies.
I'm confused.

this sounds like U did not PLAN to breed, so neither sire nor dam has been tested / screened for heritable issues, correct?
Yet it also sounds as if U do not plan to arrange a mismate jab, which BTW is safer for the F than actually carrying to term, or even miscarriage / stillbirth B4 the due-date.

It sounds as tho U are ready to 'celebrate' an unplanned litter from untested parents -
& the attending risk to the F - rather than prevent the pregnancy with a single injection,
saving her the risk, which is considerable, & saving the world from more unplanned pups.

Is that accurate, or did i misread the post? If U intend her to go to term,
do U have a spare $1,400 to 2-grand for an emergency-C-section?
U may need it in 63 to 65 days.

worrying,
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Yes I have plenty of spare money and she got tested for everything the day she turned two. I wanted to make sure she was more then capable of winning a show. She has been checked for everything updated on all shots gets wormer every month. Is on the Bravecto pill for fleas and ticks. Is OFA certificated has perfect eyes. She is also on a daily vitimans. The male is also checked for all of this things. And passed all the things he was ready for. They both are on daily schedules to keep them healthy and fit. They are getting ready for sledding so they also have that in their routines now also. She gets vet checked before every show and also twice a year just because I feel she should be.
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I'm not aborting the babies if she even has any that is wrong and something I would ever do
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Arrow Health concerns / heritable problems in Sibes

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Yes I have plenty of spare money and she got tested for everything the day she turned two. I wanted to make sure she was more then capable of winning a show.

She has been checked for everything, UTD-vax, wormer every month.
On Bravecto for fleas and ticks.
Is OFA certificated has perfect eyes.
...also on a daily [vitamins].

The male is also checked for all of this things. And passed all the things he was ready for.

They both are on daily schedules to keep them healthy and fit. They are getting ready for sledding...
She gets vet-checked before every show, [plus] twice a year, just because I feel she should be.
From It's a Husky Thing - QUOTE,

RESPONSIBLE BREEDING -
Preparing to breed your female Siberian Husky:
A step-by-step checklist to help you prepare for the responsibility of breeding.

Step 1.
Study & research ALL the materials you can find on the breed, including the breed's different lines.

Step 2.
Attend dog shows, & talk to owners who show.
Enter your female, & see how she stacks up vs other Siberians.

Step 3.
While you study the breed, work in Siberian Husky rescue.
If you don't have the time, money & facilities to foster abandoned Siberians, then you haven't the time, resources, or room to breed a litter.
Fostering abandoned dogs & working to find them loving, permanent homes will help you understand the responsibility of bringing more puppies into the world.

Step 4.
When your female reaches age two, assess her qualifications as a breeding animal.
First evaluate her temperament. If it is PERFECT, she’ll be happy & well-adjusted; neither shy or aggressive.

Step 5.
Have your female evaluated by a few knowledgeable breeders of top-quality show Siberians.
Add this to your showing results. If she is a good, sound example of the breed, go to Step 6.

Step 6.
Verify that she shows no heritable disorders, to pass to her puppies.
As a minimum:
* have her hips x-rayed and evaluated by OFA (or use PennHIP testing)
* have her eyes examined ed by a Veterinary Ophthalmologist [CERF certificate; expires in 12-mos]
* Check her thyroid function [5 or 6-way panel; blood sample sent to MSU vet-lab or Dodd's Hemo-Pet lab]
* have her tested for Brucellosis
* Both hips should be rated good or excellent; normal eyes, normal thyroid function.
Brucellosis test should be negative.
* Absolutely free of seizures, clotting disorders, & free of excessive allergic conditions.
* Shots up to date,
* Fecal float for worms & other parasites. // De-worm before estrus & mating.

Step 7. Research her pedigree.
What genetic screenings were done on her parents?
Grandparents? -- Siblings?
Do all have good temperaments?
Are all good types of the breed, conforming to breed standard?
Do the preponderance of dogs in her pedigree carry genes for desirable traits?

Step 8.
Seek a stud that's passed Steps 4, 5, 6, & 7 - get copies of:
* his pedigree
* OFA certificate or PennHip results
* CERF or SHOR eye certificate - only valid for 12 months.
If the certificate has expired, insist he be re-certified.
* thyroid test results
* Inform the stud's owner -
the stud must test negative for Brucellosis, prior to meeting your female.
* Agree in advance on a stud fee.

Step 9. Research and prepare your sales contracts.
Only the finest, healthiest dogs should be used for breeding; not all pups are destined to be breeding quality.
You will want to sell your pups with limited registrations. Your sales contract should include a provision -
if the home does not work out, the puppy returns to you - no matter how old s/he is, no matter where they live.

It's a good time to invest in extra dog pens/ crates, to always have a place for dogs of your get, even years later.

Step 10. Establish a waiting list of buyers.
Visit their homes in advance; pay special attention to fences & facilities.
(Huskies are escape-artists! Make sure potential homes are properly equipped & educated.)
* Take cash deposits to ensure the buyers are seriously committed & will wait to get a pup. Often the promise
of a good home disappears when pups are born. No puppy should be born without a loving home, waiting.

Step 11.
Set aside at least $250 for vet bills, plus $500 for an in-hours C-section. Out-of-hours C-sections start at $1,200
& go up - rapidly. The more complications & care, the more they cost.
2 to 3 sets of shots plus worming for each pup, will cost between $50 - $75 per pup (more, in some areas).

STEP 12.
Arrange in advance for time-off from work or school for the whelping, plus in case pups require hand-feeding
(if the dam fails to lactate, or worse, if she dies while whelping.)
Hand-feeding is every 2 hours, day & night, for 2 weeks; then every 4 hours, until pups are 5-WO.
At 5-WO, they can eat specially-prepared soft foods, with milk-replacer over kibble or canned puppy-formula.
They eat 4 times per day. // Factor in milk-replacement product cost, & puppy-diet, dry or canned, home-cooked,
whatever.

Step 13.
Take a good look at where you'll rear the pups.

Pups can escape through or into tiny spaces. Reinforce fences outdoors; prepare a safe, temperature-controlled
place for whelping. Have a heat-lamp installed overhead; neonates need ~85'F for the first week, ~80'F for the 2nd &
3rd weeks, then 75 to 78'F until they are 5-WO; 72 to 75'F is adequate for weeks 5 through 8, if the room is draft-free.
Buy several cases of paper towels; each pup poops & pees dozens of times a day.
Figure you'll clean up 10-20 piles & puddles per pup, daily, from about 4-WO until 8-WO or older.
(Miami residents:
per city code, every dog bred MUST be chipped & registered, or you are fined.
This is after whelping & before sale, give-away, or any change of ownership.)

Congratulations!
After successfully completing ALL these steps . . . you are now ready to breed your female Siberian Husky.
......................................

personal note:
Not many people here have bred their huskies, and if you don't show/ work your dog, have not checked her eyes & hips, if she's not older than 2-YO, & if you don't have a really good reason for breeding her, you're not going to get much help here.
If you seriously want to breed her, join your local kennel club, & learn about breeding dogs there.

_________________ END Quote _____________


Known heritable disorders in Siberian Huskies, per AVAR list -

Siberian husky:
41, 42, 65, 86, 103, 104, 121, 135, 147, 152, 166, 186, 221, 221a, 230, 245, 256, 270, 328, 329, 330, 334


in numerical order at
CANINE CONGENITAL AND INHERITED DISORDERS | TheDogPlace.org

Cataract [CERF]
Corneal dystrophy [CERF]
Discoid lupus erythematosus - Canine Discoid Lupus Erythematosus (DLE) | Overview & Facts
Entropion [Surgery; neuter]
Eosinophilic granuloma - Eosinophilic Granuloma Complex in Dogs - Integumentary System - Merck Veterinary Manual
Factor VIII deficiency or hemophilia A [blood test]
Glaucoma [internal eye pressure; test, vet-opthalmologist]
Hip dysplasia [Penn-HIP preferred; rating should exceed median breed-score]
Hypothyroidism [5 or 6-way blood panel; MSU or Hemo-Pet labs]
Lens luxation [CERF]
Osteochondritis dissecans / Osteochondrosis [shoulder, stifle, hock, &/ or elbow; Penn-HIP or OFA]
Pannus [CERF]
Persistent pupillary membrane [CERF]
Progressive retinal atrophy - OptiGen - prcd-PRA Test - canine genetic testing
Retinal dysplasia - https://www.pawprintgenetics.com/pro...s/details/149/
Vitiligo - https://www.vetinfo.com/vitiligo-in-dogs.html
Vogt-Koyanagi-Harada-like syndrome: blood, eyes, skin; blindness & death; auto-immune disorder.
von Willebrand's disease: [blood sample, vWD]
Zinc-responsive dermatosis

re VHK-S:
[PDF] Uveadermatological syndrome (Vogt-Koyanagi- Harada-like ...
www.revmedvet.com/2014/RMV165_57_60.pdf
by M KIBAR - ‎Cited by 1 - ‎Related articles
...the syndrome should be referred to as Vogt-Koyanagi-. Harada-like (VKH-like) or uveodermatologic syndrome.
(UDS) in this ... The Schirmer tear test I (SchirmerTranentest, .... The syndrome in humans is described as being of genetic...



Not mentioned on AVAR:
https://www.purinaproclub.com/resour...erian-huskies/
Crystalline Corneal Dystrophy, CCD

Also -
Your Siberian: Its Hips and Its Eyes


I'm presuming the sire-to-be's hips / knees / elbows were not radiographed, nor does he have a CERF certificate? -
Penn-HIP can predict adult hip-scores with better than 85% accuracy at 12-WO. / An exam by a k9 opthalmologist
will quickly determine if he's symptomatic; blood or cheek-swabs can test DNA, for some eye / skin / other disorders.

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Terry I don't mean this rude but huskies have been in my family for thirty years. Which is why this happening kind of caught me off guard my parents always had all four of their huskies together all the time and they never go pregnant and the where not fixed. I know everything about both parents since they are both mine and both registered underneath the ACA they have a perfect pedigree and very lovable behavior :-) I was just trying to make this a happy thing that caught me totally of guard.
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Didn't they already state that ther show their dogs and that both parents have been health tested?!
Do I think this is the wisest thing? No it wasn't planned or maybe at some point it was, but happened sooner than ther wanted?
Seems like they already have their ducks I a row as far as the parents and are planning for the pups.
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Red face It's very vague.

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Didn't [the OP] already state that they show their dogs, & that both parents have been health tested?!
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The OP said she tested her dog "for everything" when she turned 2, "b/c she wanted to know that her dog could win a show".
That's nowhere near saying, "my dog has her AKC / UKC / FCI / CKC / ___ championship, & we're entered in the breed specialty this year."
Nor did the OP stipulate which tests were done - vWD? 5 or 6-way thyroid? Clotting disorders? DNA tests for PRA & RD? -- CCD?
I don't know what "everything" means.

@Markie didn't even say if both dogs have current CERF certificates; she did say that the M dog "had the tests he was old-enuf for" [paraphrasing, as i can't see page 1 of the thread], which i'm guessing means that he's under 2-YO; the AKC won't accept OFA results on a dog under 24-MO.

Penn-HIP can estimate hip-scores as an adult on 12-WO pups, with 85% or better accuracy - so he can be radiographed & scored via Penn-HIP, even if he's not yet 2-YO.

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Maybe we are reading things differently. The OP said

"Yes I have plenty of spare money and she got tested for everything the day she turned two. I wanted to make sure she was more then capable of winning a show."

They didn't say exactly, just said everything but that I'd take to mean everything recommended for the breed rather than everything umder the sun. They said that wanted to make sure their dog was more than capable of winning shows, which to me displays concern for the breed vs people who only care if the dog is capable of winning and nothing more.


"She has been checked for everything updated on all shots gets wormer every month. Is on the Bravecto pill for fleas and ticks. Is OFA certificated has perfect eyes. She is also on a daily vitimans. The male is also checked for all of this things. And passed all the things he was ready for."

Eyes are done at 12 months of age and the OFA will accept results sooner than that. I don't know if the hips were done it simply says OFA certified.
CERF closed in 2014 so I wouldn't believe they'd have current certs with them.

No they didn't specifically state they are going to breed specialty, ect but say they show their dogs. They probably figured the details were not important, at least at the time. The OP stated multiple times they show their dogs.

Leashed4life, I actually don't disagree with your post. It is in the best interest of everyone if dogs are proven and health tested before being bred. This was an unplanned mating, but the owner participates in shows and sledding and says that the dogs have received health testing.
The big concern now would be taking care of mom during pregnancy (if she is pregnant), being there for whelping and care and homing of the pups - which is a tall order. The OP should have some contacts I the "husky world" word of mouth or maybe interested themselves, though I'm not sure with it being an accident it can make a difference depending on lines and where dogs are at in show career ect.
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