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Old 11-20-2017, 10:41 PM
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I have to politely disagree about them not being able to digest raw carrots, at least all the dogs I've owned. I've owned horses for well over twenty years and raw carrots are a great healthy treat for horses. Both my last dog and my current dog quickly learned to beg for and steal raw carrots since the horses get so excited and make such a fuss over them. I caught my dog chomping on a whole carrot he'd stolen just last week at the barn. From their poop the carrots were digested just fine as I've never noticed a problem, nor with the blueberries, cucumbers, red peppers or lettuce my dog now likes. The only thing that comes out completely undigested out both ends and is disgusting is grass and hay. Both my last dog and my current dog won't touch cooked carrots, not steamed or boiled or any way but loved raw.
So even my dog with all his ibd and food is fine with raw carrots and loves them.
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Since you and @naturalfeddogs both mentioned the teeth and their seemingly obvious purpose by design which suggests a particular diet, I thought I'd add a very minor point regarding a dog's teeth. I'm sure anyone who does feed their dog raw components including meaty bones have noticed how wonderfully white those choppers are!
Yep, I feed Zody raw bones a couple of times a month to help clean his teeth, without them he'd probably have needed a dental by now, toy sized dogs are notorious for bad teeth.
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I have to politely disagree about them not being able to digest raw carrots, at least all the dogs I've owned. I've owned horses for well over twenty years and raw carrots are a great healthy treat for horses. Both my last dog and my current dog quickly learned to beg for and steal raw carrots since the horses get so excited and make such a fuss over them. I caught my dog chomping on a whole carrot he'd stolen just last week at the barn. From their poop the carrots were digested just fine as I've never noticed a problem, nor with the blueberries, cucumbers, red peppers or lettuce my dog now likes. The only thing that comes out completely undigested out both ends and is disgusting is grass and hay. Both my last dog and my current dog won't touch cooked carrots, not steamed or boiled or any way but loved raw.
So even my dog with all his ibd and food is fine with raw carrots and loves them.
You're lucky then, mine does not digest raw carrots, and most dogs do not digest them.

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I don't give a lot, barely half to one small carrot three or four times a week. But he does steal sometimes! My last post I meant to say I don't and food allergies and skipped a word. Chewing on them at least is good for his teeth and the vitamin is good for his sight. The fiber might even be good for his chronic diarrhea since he won't stick to his prescription food.
One of the articles that said grass was good for their stomachs was wrong though. It makes cars and dogs vomit. That's why they eat it to clean out their systems. My last dog had other very gross poop issues from eating grass and hay as well.
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I have to politely disagree about them not being able to digest raw carrots, at least all the dogs I've owned.

That's interesting as my dogs have generally been the opposite. I notice the same with egg shells, they just don't seem to break down very well in my dog's digestive system when fed whole. So, I used to make a slurry of sorts to add to my dog's raw meals at times. I'd puree a concoction of carrots, blueberries, sweet potatoes, eggs, kale, broccoli etc. in the blender and add a bit to any ground raw meats which might be in their meals. The dog didn't mind the addition and I'd like to think there was a benefit. I'm not sure if my thinking was accurate but for some reason it was told to me that breaking down some of these tougher to digest foods into a puree aided the absorption of the beneficial nutrients present in some these foods.

I think it works as my dog has really good vision
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Since you and @naturalfeddogs both mentioned the teeth and their seemingly obvious purpose by design which suggests a particular diet, I thought I'd add a very minor point regarding a dog's teeth. I'm sure anyone who does feed their dog raw components including meaty bones have noticed how wonderfully white those choppers are!
Yes! Yes they are! Before we started using our holistic vet, our traditional vet always commented on our older dogs teeth. How he was "really impressed", and how they never needed dentals done.
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It makes cars and dogs vomit. .
LOL, I know you meant cats but your comment reminded me of a car I used to own
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Yes! Yes they are! Before we started using our holistic vet, our traditional vet always commented on our older dogs teeth. How he was "really impressed", and how they never needed dentals done.
You sound like you have the same problem I do; having to use two different vets. My traditional vet has dealt with my past two GSDs and now my current one and she remarks on how much better my current one's dental health is than the previous ones and most dogs she sees. I usually don't mention the raw diet to her because when I decided to take a different route using a raw diet, she was really dead set against it and offered no help just resistance, so I had to find another vet who would help and I did. I'm okay with that and still use my traditional vet the majority of the time but will see the other vet on occasion to get another opinion.

When my traditional vet remarks on my dog's healthy dental status and "solid as a rock" (as she says ) physical condition, it might lead to her asking what I am feeding her, I now just say " the same stuff you are selling in the lobby" to avoid any debate but I'm fairly certain she knows what I'm feeding my dog.
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Yep, two different ones here too. I use my holistic one most because I have titers done by her, and due to such good health I hardly ever use the traditional one. I don't hide that I feed raw from him. He can argue all he wants. When it comes to nutrition, I know (as do most raw feeders) more than he does. These are my dogs, I will feed them how I feel best. The way I see it, somebody else can buy that bag of kibble off his shelf for me, the one he wants me buying so bad. Don't get me wrong, I will use my traditional vet in an emergency if it's something the holistic one can't do anything about. But for normal use, nope. So, I completely feel what you are saying.
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Lightbulb dogs & bacteria: It's not 'just' the primary diet that exposes dogs & humans

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There is at least one national Therapy-Pet organization that won't allow dogs who eat raw-meat to participate, as visiting therapy-pets - they worry that bacteria in the dog's saliva or elsewhere might be a risk, particularly to elderly or immunocompromised persons.

https://healthypets.mercola.com/site...-fed-pets.aspx

I think that's a far, far stretch, but that's their policy. I'd think the risk to patients from human visitors with poor hand-hygiene is much higher than that from dogs, no matter what their diet. The classic poster, captioned "10 leading reasons for infection", & showing 2 hands palm-forward & fingers spread, still holds true.

Patricia McConnell's opinion:
to paraphrase, 'Maybe, but it seems very unlikely - & what about ______?'
Raw Diets and Assistance Dogs

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Laurie says
September 30, 2010 at 2:07 pm
"...I could not believe Delta Society put out that statement. I canít help but think that the person on their board from one of the largest manufacturers of kibble had some influence on that decision."
the "person on their Board" [BoD] is / was the Marketing Director of Purina Pet-Foods.

I found this very illuminating, from a retired microbologist who is also a [former] Delta Pet-Partner, as his dog is fed raw & won't be changing -

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October 1, 2010 at 5:55 pm

"I am bewildered over the process that went into this decision, absent any information of credible scientific validity, regarding transmission of Salmonella from dogs to humans.

Yes, I have read the papers that Delta says support this decision.
As a scientist retired from a career in microbiology & epidemiology, I find the data lacking in substance, quality, and relevance to transmission of Salmonella by pet therapy dogs.

The data clearly show that other pathogens, equally problematic (MRSA, E.coli) , are detected in fecal samples from non-raw fed dogs with greater frequency than in raw fed dogs. The interpretation of these data is scientifically dubious, leading one to wonder whether the decision was made by qualified individuals or whether Delta has just been sold a 'bill of goods' based on the biases of the so called experts on the Medical Advisory Board.
Specifically, Scott Weese, DVM, among others, is on the Medical Advisory Board, as well as being an author on 3 of the 4 publications that are used as a basis for the directive. Dr. Weese is a clear opponent to all raw feeding (http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/201...delta-society/).

The Delta Society ban is extended to Pet Partners who visit libraries, reading programs for elementary school grades, homeless shelters, and even prisons. It is unimaginable that all of the individuals within those venues are immunocompromised and more susceptible to Salmonella infections than the general population.

Troubling also is the presence as a voting member on your Board of Directors of the Marketing Director for Purina. Since there was 'unanimous approval' of the directive by the board, with no reported abstentions, the Purina Marketing director vote was made with conflict of interest and breach of ethics.

There were so many other ways the raw feeding concern could have been addressed by the Board of Directors.
To name a few -
1) Delta could have withdrawn their insurance from raw feeders and asked them to self-insure
2) Delta could have left the decision as to whether to admit raw-fed dogs to the facility or to the Delta Society local affiliate (or both), with appropriate waivers
3) Restrict only the visits to acutely compromised patients to those who do not feed raw
4) given adequate and visible notice to Pet Partners of the impending directive, along with requests for input from those affected (Yes, there was a notice on March 17 in your magazine, buried in the back pages. That is not highly visible.)
5) included a written question on the recertification application regarding diet.
(At no time, during any of the 3 re-certifications that we have done, were we either asked or requested to indicate in writing anything about the nature of Ozzieís diet.)

The auto-responses to inquiries about raw feeding policy are unprofessional and disrespectful to Delta Society Pet Partner teams. The FAQ page addresses only carefully selected issues chosen by the Delta Society.

Some of the responses to FAQs are downright laughable. Specifically, for pathogens other than Salmonella, itís OK for the handler to just wash their hands & use normal precautions. WowÖ Salmonella is resistant to hand-washing. Now thatís news!
Fortunately there are ample opportunities to certify with other therapy groups to continue the worthwhile work that was begun by groups such as Delta.
My gripe is not so much with the 'directive', but by the ignorance that is being used to justify it."
... & this, from a U-S paramedic:

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October 1, 2010 at 10:09 pm

"Nursing homes are veritable Petri-dishes of MRSA, pneumonia, influenza, common cold, & probably stuff the CDC hasnít even heard of, yet.
Iím a paramedic, & unfortunately, a good bit of my shifts are spent in these facilities. A dog on a raw diet is the least of their worries."
The risk of transporting microbes from humans on therapy-pets is also high, & MRSA or C. dificile will be on the car-seats, & soon thereafter in the house, if the handler doesn't wipe the dog down after exiting the building & before entering their car: paws, legs, head, shoulders, & back - the parts of the dog that contact the floor, & the areas that patients pet.

Personally, re raw-fed & scary microbes, i'm far-more concerned by contamination-levels in freeze-dried "treats", especially from China, but also U-S source; freeze-dried chicken, duck, lamb, etc, have all had recalls with phenomenally-high bacteria-counts that far-exceed the norm.
How many people reading this WASH THEIR HANDS after giving their dog freeze-dried meat treats?
When we think about bacteria, we usually think 'wet' - canned, raw, cooked - not dried-out "dead" meat. That's a problem. Freeze-dried is 'dry' & not messy, but it isn't bacteria-free by any means!
That pizzle U handed Ur dog can be awash in nasty microbes - but we can't see 'em.

- terry

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