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Old 10-28-2017, 06:31 PM
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Looks like Markie is the "sheriff" of the pack.

You've defied all odds I guess
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Old 10-28-2017, 06:34 PM
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Looks like Markie is the "sheriff" of the pack.

You've defied all odds I guess
I guess so :-);-) You must have defied all of them also ;-)

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Red face We're not both seeing the same body-lingo.

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... Sly, my now 8 month old Siberian Husky, I got when she was almost 5 months old.
She could not be around any dog whenever she ate as she would attack them for being there and take there food.

... Now she eats just fine with all my other huskies simply because I found away to calm her down and show her she was safe when she was eating.

As you can tell from the pictures there is no more guarding --- she minds her space, doesn't bother Siku in the least, & they can drink from the same water bowl, with no guarding.




What i see in photo #1 is probly not what U see - i see one dog who's mildly threatening the other, & that dog is uncomfortable, in response to the threat.

The dog who is warning is the one above, facing toward the lower left - the liver & white dog in the left-lower corner of the photo, is the target of a direct stare, & i'd bet that the B&W dog's right upper-lip is lifted --
the liver-&-white dog's ears are lowered appeasingly. // Neither of the 2 dogs is thrilled to be dining practically on top of one another, relatively-speaking - IMO & IME, of course.

I don't know Ur dogs, @Markie - but based on what U've written here, I'm betting that the B&W dog is Sly, the F who arrived as a teenager, & the liver-&-white dog to the lower-left is ? Siku? the M - notice that the white whiskers of the B&W dog are clearly visible, FLEXED FORWARD - indicating that the whisker-pad is tensed, & making the whiskers bristle. That's why i'm fairly certain, even with the awkward POV of an overhead camera, that the B&W dog is wrinkling a lip, & showing teeth. She may not be growling, but she's unhappy & clearly expressing it - altho in a low-key fashion. // She's also tense - look at her shoulders, she's braced at the elbows & hunkering slightly; conversely, the liver-&-white dog is leaning away slightly - her wt is on her forehand; his is rocked back & tilted slightly to his right.

Dogs don't "need" to eat within a foot of one another; when i have multiple dogs eating in the same room, every dog is as far from the next-nearest dog as possible within that space; if one room is too small, i'll use crates, tethers, a baby-gate to split the space or close access to another room, or put each dog solo in DIFFERENT rooms... whatever it takes; i want to make sure no dog is harassed, feels pushed to gobble, is too intimidated to eat by another dog who stares them out of countenance, or is otherwise uncomfortable.
I want them to relax, take their time, & finish a meal - no gobbling, no ugly looks, no half-eaten portions.

Older dogs in particular can take awhile to finish a meal; it's not fair to let the youngsters surround the oldie, & make her or him so uncomfortable, the old dog walks off - & the younger dog/s finish off the oldie's meal.

Equally, young pups can be intimidated quite unobtrusively by an adult dog, & an inexperienced owner may not notice or even see the subtle signals that send the puppy away from their bowl, tail lowered & head down; the owner may just assume "the pup wasn't very hungry", & leave the other dog clean-up the leftovers.

I pick up any unfinished food, take it out of the bowl [with a spatula, if it's wet food], bag it, tag it with the dog's name & the date, & stick it in the 'frig.
Next meal, that portion goes in the bowl 1st, & a measured amount is added to complete that dog's usual portion.
I don't let dogs finish one another's food - pups eat puppy-formula, dogs eat adult, supplements differ, PROTEINS differ, & food intolerances are common.

Every dog gets their own diet, & they eat it - no-one else. The bottomless-pit dog who inhales their own portion, does *not* get rewarded by getting part of somebody else's. I don't encourage gluttony.

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What i see in photo #1 is probly not what U see - i see one dog who's mildly threatening the other, & that dog is uncomfortable, in response to the threat.

The dog who is warning is the one above, facing toward the lower left - the liver & white dog in the left-lower corner of the photo, is the target of a direct stare, & i'd bet that the B&W dog's right upper-lip is lifted --
the liver-&-white dog's ears are lowered appeasingly. // Neither of the 2 dogs is thrilled to be dining practically on top of one another, relatively-speaking - IMO & IME, of course.

I don't know Ur dogs, @Markie - but based on what U've written here, I'm betting that the B&W dog is Sly, the F who arrived as a teenager, & the liver-&-white dog to the lower-left is ? Siku? the M - notice that the white whiskers of the B&W dog are clearly visible, FLEXED FORWARD - indicating that the whisker-pad is tensed, & making the whiskers bristle. That's why i'm fairly certain, even with the awkward POV of an overhead camera, that the B&W dog is wrinkling a lip, & showing teeth. She may not be growling, but she's unhappy & clearly expressing it - altho in a low-key fashion. // She's also tense - look at her shoulders, she's braced at the elbows & hunkering slightly; conversely, the liver-&-white dog is leaning away slightly - her wt is on her forehand; his is rocked back & tilted slightly to his right.

Dogs don't "need" to eat within a foot of one another; when i have multiple dogs eating in the same room, every dog is as far from the next-nearest dog as possible within that space; if one room is too small, i'll use crates, tethers, a baby-gate to split the space or close access to another room, or put each dog solo in DIFFERENT rooms... whatever it takes; i want to make sure no dog is harassed, feels pushed to gobble, is too intimidated to eat by another dog who stares them out of countenance, or is otherwise uncomfortable.
I want them to relax, take their time, & finish a meal - no gobbling, no ugly looks, no half-eaten portions.

Older dogs in particular can take awhile to finish a meal; it's not fair to let the youngsters surround the oldie, & make her or him so uncomfortable, the old dog walks off - & the younger dog/s finish off the oldie's meal.

Equally, young pups can be intimidated quite unobtrusively by an adult dog, & an inexperienced owner may not notice or even see the subtle signals that send the puppy away from their bowl, tail lowered & head down; the owner may just assume "the pup wasn't very hungry", & leave the other dog clean-up the leftovers.

I pick up any unfinished food, take it out of the bowl [with a spatula, if it's wet food], bag it, tag it with the dog's name & the date, & stick it in the 'frig.
Next meal, that portion goes in the bowl 1st, & a measured amount is added to complete that dog's usual portion.
I don't let dogs finish one another's food - pups eat puppy-formula, dogs eat adult, supplements differ, PROTEINS differ, & food intolerances are common.

Every dog gets their own diet, & they eat it - no-one else. The bottomless-pit dog who inhales their own portion, does *not* get rewarded by getting part of somebody else's. I don't encourage gluttony.

JMO & IME - YMMV,
- terry


Your right you don't know my dogs but I do and that lip thing your seeing is Slys over bit she has nothing more. She is just fine eating with all my other huskies and Siku is a male good guess :-)

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What i see in photo #1 is probly not what U see - i see one dog who's mildly threatening the other, & that dog is uncomfortable, in response to the threat.

The dog who is warning is the one above, facing toward the lower left - the liver & white dog in the left-lower corner of the photo, is the target of a direct stare, & i'd bet that the B&W dog's right upper-lip is lifted --
the liver-&-white dog's ears are lowered appeasingly. // Neither of the 2 dogs is thrilled to be dining practically on top of one another, relatively-speaking - IMO & IME, of course.

I don't know Ur dogs, @Markie - but based on what U've written here, I'm betting that the B&W dog is Sly, the F who arrived as a teenager, & the liver-&-white dog to the lower-left is ? Siku? the M - notice that the white whiskers of the B&W dog are clearly visible, FLEXED FORWARD - indicating that the whisker-pad is tensed, & making the whiskers bristle. That's why i'm fairly certain, even with the awkward POV of an overhead camera, that the B&W dog is wrinkling a lip, & showing teeth. She may not be growling, but she's unhappy & clearly expressing it - altho in a low-key fashion. // She's also tense - look at her shoulders, she's braced at the elbows & hunkering slightly; conversely, the liver-&-white dog is leaning away slightly - her wt is on her forehand; his is rocked back & tilted slightly to his right.

Dogs don't "need" to eat within a foot of one another; when i have multiple dogs eating in the same room, every dog is as far from the next-nearest dog as possible within that space; if one room is too small, i'll use crates, tethers, a baby-gate to split the space or close access to another room, or put each dog solo in DIFFERENT rooms... whatever it takes; i want to make sure no dog is harassed, feels pushed to gobble, is too intimidated to eat by another dog who stares them out of countenance, or is otherwise uncomfortable.
I want them to relax, take their time, & finish a meal - no gobbling, no ugly looks, no half-eaten portions.

Older dogs in particular can take awhile to finish a meal; it's not fair to let the youngsters surround the oldie, & make her or him so uncomfortable, the old dog walks off - & the younger dog/s finish off the oldie's meal.

Equally, young pups can be intimidated quite unobtrusively by an adult dog, & an inexperienced owner may not notice or even see the subtle signals that send the puppy away from their bowl, tail lowered & head down; the owner may just assume "the pup wasn't very hungry", & leave the other dog clean-up the leftovers.

I pick up any unfinished food, take it out of the bowl [with a spatula, if it's wet food], bag it, tag it with the dog's name & the date, & stick it in the 'frig.
Next meal, that portion goes in the bowl 1st, & a measured amount is added to complete that dog's usual portion.
I don't let dogs finish one another's food - pups eat puppy-formula, dogs eat adult, supplements differ, PROTEINS differ, & food intolerances are common.

Every dog gets their own diet, & they eat it - no-one else. The bottomless-pit dog who inhales their own portion, does *not* get rewarded by getting part of somebody else's. I don't encourage gluttony.

JMO & IME - YMMV,
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Oh for heaven's sake, please try for a second to just accept other people's ACTUAL real life situations and understand that everybody and their dog might possibly be different than your "textbook" analyses.

Here's what I see but I'm sure I'm wrong in your opinion. Three pictures of two dogs eating and drinking in close proximity. The picture which is the MOST telling to me is the one where one dog is away from it's food bowl and drinking water while it's food bowl is unattended. This is the epitome of NOT guarding but more than likely an established "respect" between the two dogs of ownership with absolutely NO conflict. There is defined order which most likely was created by Markie.

Years ago, when I said goodbye to one of dogs, a very thoughtful person gave me a book by Susan Clothier called When Bones Rain From the Sky. it had a wonderful chapter about the demise of one of her dogs, it warmed my heart and softened the hardship. But, it had a chapter which described the claiming/ownership between dogs and her interpretation of the process. I suggest you read the book and it might help you understand the pictures better.

FWIW, my opinion of these pictures is based on a moment in time, so I'll be willing to accept that I could be completely wrong. But still, why do you try and refute what Markie has professed about her pack and interactions? It just seems rude. There is no reason for Markie to lie.
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And Siku is eating that's how he eats thank you!!! :-):-)

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I've dealt with a couple of dogs like this...as far as feeding time they are all separated, with the puppy eating in his crate! And for the cats, I always introduced mine slowly, yes the dogs would have to be leashed when the cats were around but they could drag the leash as long as they left the cats alone, if not then they had to be tethered to me, it takes some time and patience, but eventually they all got along... I also have safe places for the cat, the upstairs is gated off so only the she can get through and we cut a kitty door in the basement door so she has an escape...I do think you would both benefit from puppy class, it will help you to bond with her and you can voice your concerns about her behavior to the trainer!!
Thank you for the in-depth knowledge and advice. We are going to try the feeding separately - they currently have two food bowls down, but they seem to always want to eat out of the same bowl as the other dog. The cat info is great too, I saw so many different advice when I was looking it up and got overwhelmed. I will try to introduce them slowly. Also, I'll look into the puppy classes! -lauren
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Hi everyone... I didn't know so many people would respond! I'm extremely new to this website so bear with me. I don't know how to respond to you all separately or how to "quote" your responses. Thank you for all the kind/helpful words. Any advice on how to respond? lol... sorry!
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Hi everyone... I didn't know so many people would respond! I'm extremely new to this website so bear with me. I don't know how to respond to you all separately or how to "quote" your responses. Thank you for all the kind/helpful words. Any advice on how to respond? lol... sorry!
There should be little quote marks when you click on the option of someones. You click on those then it quotes the person for you :-):-) Don't worry it took me forever to figure it out myself and Anytime with helping :-):-):-)

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Oh for heaven's sake, please try for a second to just accept other people's ACTUAL real life situations and understand that everybody and their dog might possibly be different than your "textbook" analyses.

Here's what I see but I'm sure I'm wrong in your opinion. Three pictures of two dogs eating and drinking in close proximity. The picture which is the MOST telling to me is the one where one dog is away from it's food bowl and drinking water while it's food bowl is unattended. This is the epitome of NOT guarding but more than likely an established "respect" between the two dogs of ownership with absolutely NO conflict. There is defined order which most likely was created by Markie.

Years ago, when I said goodbye to one of dogs, a very thoughtful person gave me a book by Susan Clothier called When Bones Rain From the Sky. it had a wonderful chapter about the demise of one of her dogs, it warmed my heart and softened the hardship. But, it had a chapter which described the claiming/ownership between dogs and her interpretation of the process. I suggest you read the book and it might help you understand the pictures better.

FWIW, my opinion of these pictures is based on a moment in time, so I'll be willing to accept that I could be completely wrong. But still, why do you try and refute what Markie has professed about her pack and interactions? It just seems rude. There is no reason for Markie to lie.
This took me about a month to get them this way. I tried them all out slowly with on another before either put them all together :-):-) I love the challenge though and they are all so different :-):-):-)

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