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Old 08-04-2010, 02:33 PM
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what I am saying is yes turning head and body has a greater calming effect on dogs than just turning the head. Ever have a notorious licker? Ever just try to turn your head away from him to stop the licking onslaught? Ever see him try to lick you MORE because you keep turning your head to avoid his licking? That is because you're sendign teh wrong signal by just turning your head. Take the same dog, the same licking fiasco, and insted of turning your head, turn your head and shoulder... watch how fast his attempts to lick you stop. Test if for yourself. Don't take my word for it.

I don't have any articles from trainers... trainers are not behaviorists and usually have no clue when it comes to canine communication really.


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Ears back, on back, belly exposed, tail tucked, release of urine droplets, head turned away, indirect gaze. Bellying up indicates surrender, a pacifying gesture offered to a more dominant or aggressive individual.
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Many many many trainers have lots of knowledge on canine behavior...to my knowledge part of the curriculum for training schools is behavior classes.

Then show me where a behaviorist has written it, don't copy and paste please, I would prefer a direct link I like to learn from actual published documents. I have an obsessive licker and my head turn gets him to stop. I can agree this does not always work, but turning the body does not always work either. Fawkese was giving baby steps, try this then this if the first fails then finally this if all else fails.
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you would really only call turning the head away a sign of submission if you saw that puppy's behavior as dominant. i do not. i see it as puppy play behavior, having nothing to do with dominance. my advice to the OP was to keep from reinforcing the behavior, and had nothing to do with mimicking dog submissive/dominant gestures. personally, i believe that doing so is a huge waste of time. the dog is getting too rough when she plays, so the game is over when she does that... the OP needs to work with the dog to figure out how dramatically she needs to disengage before the puppy gets it. some dogs will calm themselves if you just say ouch and pause, some will need a head turn, some need you to walk away from them.

DS... i'm not sure why you both debunk and defend dominance theory? sorry, but many of your posts seem very contradictory. also:
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I don't have any articles from trainers... trainers are not behaviorists and usually have no clue when it comes to canine communication really.
i cannot find any listing on any search that says that you are a behaviorist? i'm not sure but it seems to me that you are implying that you know more than a "trainer" would, and tho i believe that a behaviorist should know more than a trainer, that does not mean that trainers have "no clue when it comes to canine communication".



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DS... i'm not sure why you both debunk and defend dominance theory? sorry, but many of your posts seem very contradictory
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To OP...the method of "ouch" and stop all play (and even standing up) is a great method. I do the head turn thing occasionally as my pit bull can be pushy for attention and it works wonderfully.

Have you posted recent puppy pics??? I love your little one.



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My sister's dog has this same problem. She is a bloodhound, 5 months old, and is a HORRIBLE nipper. And damn, do those baby-teeth hurt. She'll chomp down on your arm as hard as she can and try to play tug of war. Nothing we've tried has worked. Turning away makes her jump on you more, walking away makes her more excited when you come BACK (Even if we're out of sight for 20minutes at a time), and saying "OUCH" and pulling away does absolutely nothing, haha. You can't redirect her onto toys, she's more interested in your hand. The only thing she'll chew at all is water bottles, and if you're anywhere around she'll lunge for you instead.

I'll be watching this thread, maybe someone can come up with something to help your dog that my sister can try too.
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My sister's dog has this same problem. She is a bloodhound, 5 months old, and is a HORRIBLE nipper. And damn, do those baby-teeth hurt. She'll chomp down on your arm as hard as she can and try to play tug of war. Nothing we've tried has worked. Turning away makes her jump on you more, walking away makes her more excited when you come BACK (Even if we're out of sight for 20minutes at a time), and saying "OUCH" and pulling away does absolutely nothing, haha. You can't redirect her onto toys, she's more interested in your hand. The only thing she'll chew at all is water bottles, and if you're anywhere around she'll lunge for you instead.

I'll be watching this thread, maybe someone can come up with something to help your dog that my sister can try too.
Sounds to me that this dog is not getting the exercise and mind stimulation it needs. Its a bloodhound....have they ever owned one before?

We have someone here who owns a bloodhound (SH thats your cue!) hopefully he sees this and can give more advice but for now, the dog needs lots and lots and lots of exercise and training. When she is fulfilled on that end she will be able to calm down when she is too rough.
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No, I don't think they've owned one before. They walk the dog like 4 times a day, and she plays baseball too and brings the puppy with her to the games to play ball on the sidelines.
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She needs to do more things to stimulate her mind
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you may find these videos helpful, they have a different approach, which i think would work well with the "ouch" method...

YouTube - ‪Stop puppies biting- clicker dog training‬‎
YouTube - ‪How to Teach Your Puppy to Stop Nipping Using Clicker Training‬‎

so i would work on these things and if the puppy is wound up and biting, then ouch and disengage...



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Ever have a notorious licker? Ever just try to turn your head away from him to stop the licking onslaught? Ever see him try to lick you MORE because you keep turning your head to avoid his licking? That is because you're sendign teh wrong signal by just turning your head. Take the same dog, the same licking fiasco, and insted of turning your head, turn your head and shoulder... watch how fast his attempts to lick you stop. Test if for yourself. Don't take my word for it.
i have a licker. lexi. i can turn my back, sure. but she comes up and licks be from behind. this is because its attention seeking behavior. i have taken my attention away from her so she is going to seek it, and if i give her any she will continue. i can not talk or move while she is doing this to show her my attention will not be returned that way.

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I don't have any articles from trainers... trainers are not behaviorists and usually have no clue when it comes to canine communication really.
oh well.. i guess what i just said holds no value then because i know nothing about behavior since im just a trainer..... i guess those many hours i spent watching about dog behavior on videos and in live groups, and reading books meant nothing....
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