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Old 04-13-2018, 03:27 PM
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Something I forgot earlier- you may literally have to teach him how to relax.....genetics screaming at him to Go Go Go. Leashing him to you and the two of you just sitting and chilling out- no talking- quiet time. Teach him its ok to relax. Some dogs get themselves worked up and it turns into a cycle where they just get more worked up.
Often after our evening training session I'll sit in a chair outside, put my boy in a down/stay next to my chair, crack a beer and just chill. I dont speak to him during this time. Its our wind down time. For a dog that wants to be a busybody, just learning to relax is an exercise of the mind of sorts- building self control in the dog. We both enjoy that wind down time and its good for the dog.
.....maybe...your boyfriend might be willing to help out with this part of it lol.
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:51 PM
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Thank you everyone for your responses. I would love to take him to a dog park, but there is not one near me. In actuality the closest fenced in dog park is a 2 hour drive away. There is a large field that is considered the only off leash park in my area. Since my boy isn't good with recall yet we have not been there more than a few times. When we were there, there was no other dogs so a bit of a bummer that way. I do try and do training with him everyday, even if it is just after our walks. He knows sit (both at home and in public), lay, and wait. If you ask him to wait he will wiggle his bum and take 2-3 steps back, kinda proud of that one!! He knows he has to sit before getting his food and can't start eating until I say ok. And he knows to not enter or exit the house before I do. So he is very much trainable.
You guys are hitting the nail on the head though...my boyfriend really needs to step up the plate on exercising the dog. When I talked to him about it last night he said "I exercise him...I took him for a 2 hour run on Monday". He promised to take him on another run today but that didn't happen. I think part of it is that he is soooo well behaved when my boyfriend is home. He will be out hanging with us, calm, respectful, etc. Its easy to play tug or fetch (haven't quite mastered fetch yet) in those states. When the boyfriend is not home and I have him out of his crate (attached to me by leash), that is when he is jumping and climbing and pulling.
I haven't thrown in the towel, but I would be lying if I said I haven't thought about it...
Maybe I will set up a video tape so that my boyfriend can see exactly how the dog behaves when he is not home.
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:55 PM
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Something I forgot earlier- you may literally have to teach him how to relax.....genetics screaming at him to Go Go Go. Leashing him to you and the two of you just sitting and chilling out- no talking- quiet time. Teach him its ok to relax. Some dogs get themselves worked up and it turns into a cycle where they just get more worked up.
Often after our evening training session I'll sit in a chair outside, put my boy in a down/stay next to my chair, crack a beer and just chill. I dont speak to him during this time. Its our wind down time. For a dog that wants to be a busybody, just learning to relax is an exercise of the mind of sorts- building self control in the dog. We both enjoy that wind down time and its good for the dog.
.....maybe...your boyfriend might be willing to help out with this part of it lol.
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It never occurred to me that he would need to be taught to relax!!! Even when he is out chilling with us he is rolling around on the floor with a chew toy or wanting to play tug!! This is something to look into for sure!!
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Old 04-14-2018, 08:21 AM
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Lol thoughts of throwing in the towel happen to most of us I think with these puppies. No shame in that, they're not easy. My wife never lived with a german shepherd before we met. I've owned a few prior to meeting her. So I got the shepherd we have now at 8 weeks old.....for the first year she called him satan dog. She swore there would never be another german shepherd puppy in our home. Now that he's started to mature she's liking him more and more. If you can survive through the puppy stages and get him trained up its totally worth it for what he'll be once matured.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:28 AM
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for the first year she called him satan dog. She swore there would never be another german shepherd puppy in our home.
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LOL! Same here. My wife was "terrorized" by the first 2 GSDs we had as they matured through adolescence. I still can vividly remember a couple of her sweatshirts which had the arms stretched an extra foot complete with shredded cuffs. I suggested that my wife take a positive role in obedience training but she thought it better that I take that responsibility, which I certainly did and truly enjoyed.
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With our current ( 3rd ) GSD, my wife decided to involve herself in the pup's training and obedience and what a difference it made ! Absolutely no " Tasmanian Devil dog" and my wife has the most wonderful relationship with Bob. I had her employ NILIF training on this pup from a very early age and the practice of controlling Bob's resources ( no matter how small or insignificant ). My wife thought I was being a bit too severe regarding the application of certain NILIF practices ( especially duration pending a release ) but she hung in there and it created a bond of which I am almost jealous of at times.

Every dog I have ever had seems to thrive on wise, fair/ evenhanded, consistent and confident leadership exhibited by the human. Dogs make much better "followers" than "leaders" to the greater degree. Dogs that learn to push their humans around are just taking opportunity of a void which needs to be filled, it's almost instinctual, whether they are fit for that position or not.

Oh, it was so nice to read your "I haven't thrown in the towel,". I was hopeful you might say that in response to my earlier comment. So many times during the tests of my patience when my pups were maturing, I always reminded myself of what the end result would be and it helped me continue forward without losing it. Train today for what you want tomorrow and don't let their undesirable behavior get the better of you.

I think a common problem for so many people and their dogs is the human is always quick to tell a learning younger dog what they don't want them to do but fail to instruct the dog what they would rather have them do. So, when your little tyrant does it right, make it a monumental party of happiness and reward that your dog will never ever forget the benefit of doing it proper.
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Old 04-19-2018, 03:55 PM
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Like others have said, your dog needs to be exercised both mentally and physically.
Kongs are a miracle, in my opinion. I typically will put peanut butter in my dogs Kong and he’s completely focused on that for quite a while.
We just got a 9 week old puppy last week and we make sure she always has a toy nearby. Toys that make a lot of noise might be beneficial for your dog. We found a stuffed bunny that has a different noise in every part of it and she is transfixed with that for a long time. Also, if you can get a bone from your local butcher or meat department that still has the bone marrow in it, you can give that to your dog and he’ll be good to go. Those things take forever to clear out and he’ll have a bone to chew on when the marrow is all gone!
Another thing to try might be hide and seek. I do this with Kopi and it’s awesome. I use one of the emptied out bones (but you can use whatever) and hide it anywhere I can: book shelves, under pillows, between couch cushions, under the couch, etc. I’ll make him sit and stay out of the room so he can’t see where I put it and when it’s hidden, I call him in and tell him to ‘find it’. Might be worth a try.
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Be careful with how much peanut butter you use. It can have a laxative effect. And check it doesn't contain aspartame. That's very bad for dogs.
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We don't keep peanut butter in the house because of allergies. But I can definitely get a kong and fill it with other items. I am anxiously awaiting the middle of May, as he will be old enough to neuter. I am hoping the neuter will get rid of some of the behaviours. As an example of how a typical day goes...

I wake up at 4am and take Bradley on a 30-40 minute walk, come home and feed him, shower get dressed, make my lunch and head to work. So I leave the house around 530. My boyfriend gets up at 730, has a coffee, take the dog into the back yard for a pee (and we always hope a poop), showers and leaves for work at 830. I get home around 215 and Bradley is bouncing in his crate desperate to go out and I am more than happy too. So I take him for another 30-40 minute walk. Then we come home we work on training exercises for another 15-20 minutes. Now, in the past week I have noticed that Bradley has started pooping in his crate during the day and he has never done this before. So now I have to clean the crate before we do our training exercises, which is difficult since I cant let him loose in the house. After training exercises are done (I'm talking things like SIT, LAY, WAIT, etc) I put him in his crate and feed him while I check emails and phone messages. Then I have been having him attached to me by his leash while I do some household cleaning (dishes, laundry, etc) but I get fed up after an half hour or so because he is constantly jumping onto things, grabbing things from me, or, and this is new, trying to mount and hump me. So back into the crate he goes, where he barks non stop until my boyfriend gets home. Then he is a sweet loving dog who is happy to lay by your feet, play tug, etc. And in all honestly I cry a little because he is so well behaved and I feel like a monster for having to keep putting him in his crate, even though it is plenty big enough and has a few toys and a water dish. Around 8 or 830 I take him on his final 30-40 minute walk of the day, he comes home and we do some more training exercises, play with toys a bit and off to bed.

Other days my boyfriend and I both wake up at 730, I take him out for a quick pee and poop, feed him and make my boyfriend lunch before he goes to work, then I eat breakfast. After that and checking emails we go for an hour to hour and a half walk, trying to take a new route and I let him explore and sniff, he gets to interact with others and is generally pooped out when we get home, so he chooses to go into his crate and sleep. As soon as he realizes I'm not sitting there watching him sleep he freaks out. Eve though he has peed and pooped on our walk, I take him out into the yard, let him do his thing and try to have him attached to me during housework but again it doesn't work because he jumps and grabs everything. So again I listen to non stop barking while he is in his crate. And as soon as I open the crate door to bring him out he starts biting and scratching me. Today, for example, I took him outside to pee and poop and put him in the crate while I did some laundry. I went to take him out of the crate to play tug (he loves tug) and as soon as I opened the crate door he jumped at me and started biting my arms and hands. So I get him back in the crate and shut the door, firmly telling him NO and I wait for him to calm down before trying to take him out again. As I am waiting, sitting maybe 5 feet away, he stands on top of his blanket and pisses. I have no idea why. So again I open the crate door, he starts biting me, I get him secured with the leash and start cleaning up the crate mess. He calms, I take him out back and decide we should do our training exercise out there. We come back in and I put him into the crate so I can shower and start getting ready for work. And, even though he has just peed outside, he stands on the fresh blanket and pees again. And I know once I leave for work, my boyfriend will be home in 2 hours and will have him out of the crate all evening and he will be a wonderfully behaved dog.
Now, my boyfriend does understand what I go through when he is at work and I am home, because I videotaped the day once and sent it to him to watch the worse parts. I felt bad after the fact because my boyfriend was absolutely sick to his stomach to see the dog biting me and being so bad. We just don't know what to do so that the dog understands I am dominant and he is not...
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I sent you a pm.
Hang in there.......this has nothing to do with dominance.
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