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Old 08-25-2009, 11:23 AM
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Urgent help, disobedient dog

I have a yellow lab who's 3 now and he's quite good in the house, he'll listen to us but he's also quite hyper. Once he gets outside the gate or let off the lead for a run he will rarely ever listen to me or my parents if they take him out.

He'll always run ahead and if you get too close he'll run up ahead. A lot of the time he'll run far far ahead and go on his own walk. If I shout on him and command him to come back (which he does fine in the house and on the lead) he'll simply look at me and then take off. I have to physically chase after him and hope something gets his attention long enough to hold him still so I can get close to him and grab him. Otherwise he won't return to me and will go off on his own, only to return to the house himself. He does this a lot. So he's not stupid, he simply enjoys taking the pi** out of us.

He's been to obedience classes but it was all on the lead stuff and he's fine on the lead (although he can get a bit hyper when other dogs are around and he can pull sometimes, not as much as he used to) and in the house he listens no problem. It's just when he's off the lead he's a nightmare. He won't stay close to us like any other dog you see with their owners. I'm fine with that it's just I'd rather he'd listen to me and when I decide it's time to go home and call him he'd obey. I like letting him off for a good run but I hate it when he just won't listen. Although - rarely - he may listen and come my way when I shout on him or tell him which way we're going. But this doesn't happen all the time. :cursing: :cursing:

Help???
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He thinks its a game...dogs don't understand its the same command coming to you inside and coming to you outside...they can't generalize a command until its been practiced in many places...to him its "oh boy oh boy we get to play that fun game now"

Don't chase him. This is why he thinks your playing with him...Run the other way and call him... when he turns and chases you encourage him and praise/treat him when he gets to you...then release him back to what he was doing...that way he doesn't learn that coming to you ends the fun.

Whatever happens don't get mad or frustrated. Especially if he does come to you. He may be confused and think hes in trouble, so he is avoiding coming back.


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Well the thing is, he'll rarely come close enough to me for me to treat him and in saying that, he'll most of the time spit treats out as he's too exited about running about, even his favourite ones.

When I run the opposite way, he doesn't bother and continues on with his own walk....he walks me, basically and if I walk off even out of sight, he doesn't bother.
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Well the thing is, he'll rarely come close enough to me for me to treat him and in saying that, he'll most of the time spit treats out as he's too exited about running about, even his favourite ones.

When I run the opposite way, he doesn't bother and continues on with his own walk....he walks me, basically and if I walk off even out of sight, he doesn't bother.

Then he needs to not be allowed off lead at all...If he normally likes food, but wont take food in that situation that means he waay over the top excited and is not going to be able to learn anyway...

Use chicken or beef jerky if you have too, skip his breakfast also.

practice this on leash in the house...then the yard, then the street on a quiet day...then on a less quiet day etc etc...

you have to raise the criteria for the recall slowly.

If he ignores you, reel him in...15 foot leashes are great for this....praise him and then release him. If hes not getting it you are raising the criteria too fast To a dog going from a recall inside, to a recall, offleash outside is a HUGE jump.



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what criosphynx is telling you works. Just get a long leash and REALLY good treats. i have hounds and while most would run away to catch a scent mine come with only one call. you cant let him off leash if he wont listen. I had a trainer tell me " say it one then make it happen" it works you just have to take the time. good luck Oh and when she said make it happen she didnt mean drag the dog to you you just wait it out and give a better tret the faster her recalls
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I agree that a dog who does not come when called should not be off lead until the behavior changes... I also agree with the other two that using a long lead and treats to TRAIN your dog to come when called outdoors is really the best way to go. Crio said it best, start again inside, then slowly move outside, etc.
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Thanks everyone. I think I've learned my lesson although he does need a good run off the lead I'm going to have to get a long lead and keep him on it until I'm confident in his recall. He was picked up yesterday by animal control after taking off from me and I've only just found out he's in the kennels this morning, thank God though, time to get really consistent with obedience training anyway.
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what criosphynx is telling you works. Just get a long leash and REALLY good treats. i have hounds and while most would run away to catch a scent mine come with only one call. you cant let him off leash if he wont listen. I had a trainer tell me " say it one then make it happen" it works you just have to take the time. good luck Oh and when she said make it happen she didnt mean drag the dog to you you just wait it out and give a better treat the faster her recalls
This is a great method! So many people get impatient after ten seconds or so.

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Thanks everyone. I think I've learned my lesson although he does need a good run off the lead I'm going to have to get a long lead and keep him on it until I'm confident in his recall. He was picked up yesterday by animal control after taking off from me and I've only just found out he's in the kennels this morning, thank God though, time to get really consistent with obedience training anyway.

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A good way to exercise him on a lead (until he's good off) is bicycling or rollerblading-then they get a good run and it's not too hard on you
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