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Old 02-13-2018, 02:39 PM
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Strange Training Setback

I've been doing obedience with my girl for two months. She's come along absolutely fantastic. She knows sit, stay, lay, shake, back up, spin, paw, heel between the legs, heel, follow and up. She's solid on these commands and we do them every day. I practice in high distraction settings, never had a problem. I vary between high and low value treats. I give her verbal commands, and physical commands, switching between the two every few days.

But I've encountered a problem in the last week. When I give her a verbal command, or a physical command, she just stands there and stares at me. I'll show her a treat and let her smell it, and still the same. It's gotten to the point that she won't even sit, just stand and stare at me, almost in defiance; she's 11 months old, is this the "teenager phase" ??? Even with high value treats, she will stare at me for about 30 seconds, and then comply. What can I do here?
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She's only 11 months, so you could definitely be seeing the rebellious stage. Are you working with a clicker?

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I dont think its defiance. Sounds like ur dog is frozen in avoidance. Can u: stop 'formal obedience' and engage the dog in fun play, whilst dog in good head space ask for a sit. As soon as sit performed, play some more. Then ask for next behaviour. Each correctly performed task = more play. Keeps dog engaged, focussed n happy to work. For anything detailed, say perch work or flip finishes keep reward ratio at 100% as you would a new pup and 'shape' down to lesser later.
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No answers, but I am impressed with what she has learned so far.
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She's only 11 months, so you could definitely be seeing the rebellious stage. Are you working with a clicker?

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I'm not using a clicker, but I'm snapping with my fingers. I opted for snapping because I'd lose soooooo many clickers :lol:
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Could be adolescence, could be low food drive, could be plain boring to the dog, could be a lot of things but I'd most certainly employ @rotten advice regardless of what it might be. How much engagement do you get from your dog? It doesn't sound like much from your brief description but at least she stares at you.
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I dont think its defiance. Sounds like ur dog is frozen in avoidance. Can u: stop 'formal obedience' and engage the dog in fun play, whilst dog in good head space ask for a sit. As soon as sit performed, play some more. Then ask for next behaviour. Each correctly performed task = more play. Keeps dog engaged, focussed n happy to work. For anything detailed, say perch work or flip finishes keep reward ratio at 100% as you would a new pup and 'shape' down to lesser later.
I do a lot of play training, including her retrieving exercises, and when I command at play, she does the same thing. I'll say sit, she just stares and stands. I don't throw her ball until she sits, and she'll stand, stare for about thirty seconds to a minute, and then comply and sit, or not sit at all.

I always reward when she performs, but I'll stick with high value treats! I just did some heeling work with her with some sausage and cheese, and she was very interested. Seems like low value treats are starting to lose her interest completely.
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Could be adolescence, could be low food drive, could be plain boring to the dog, could be a lot of things but I'd most certainly employ @rotten advice regardless of what it might be. How much engagement do you get from your dog? It doesn't sound like much from your brief description but at least she stares at you.
Normally she's highly engaged, even in public high distraction areas. She was doing so well. I do a lot of "play training", especially retrieving. She's also highly food motivated, but I feel like low value treats are starting to lose her interest completely.
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No answers, but I am impressed with what she has learned so far.
Thank you! I got her as a clean slate, and she's the most intelligent dog I've ever had my hands on. I wanted to teach her her basics first thing, and we went from there. She picked up heel very well!
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I don't throw her ball until she sits, and she'll stand, stare for about thirty seconds to a minute, and then comply and sit, or not sit at all.
Using a bit of detail, what exactly do you do during this 1/2 minute to 1 minute of time until compliance is met?
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