Shamas' progress. A little frustratred mostly engouraged :)

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Old 01-09-2018, 11:32 AM
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Shamas' progress. A little frustratred mostly engouraged :)

SO I got Shamas, a 5 year old Lab-Retreiver on October 27th. within 2 days he'd lunged at a neghbour's dog was aggressive to passers-by, and fearful and dog aggressive on walks. People scared him, and he'd hide behind me. He had no training that I could ascertain. I came here for advice and used what I got.

fast forward.

Shamas has been socialising when he felt like it,and on his own terms at Petsmart and has seen the trainer. He has met a couple of neighbourhood dogs which went well though he and the chihuaha next door are still kept seperated. any time he showed aggression to a neighbourhood dog, we simply took him inside until he learned that to bark/growl at passing dogs meant to lose his yard time. Now he even ignores dogs in their own yards who do this to him.

At Petsmart he is confident and dog friendly, and he also loves going to Chapters to meet people.

We went through a number of training tools before settling on a combination of harness/Martingale with a two-ended lead clipped to both. This lets me turn him around if he gets obstinant or keep him close in stores, and also let him full length for a loose walk to sniff poles, etc.

In the neighbourhood is where I'm still a bit frustrated. Shamas Still won't approach busy roads, and will turn around and drag me home. I've tried being patient with him, and I know it will take time. I'm hoping that the introduction of Clicker training will help to focus him on me instead of his fears. There are times that I need to go to Canadian Tire, and it's across one of the streets that he refuses to approach. And I can't leave him home when hubby's sleeping off a night shift, because I leave him in our bedroom(cue frustration) so I simply have to wait until hubby can drive me or a teen can dog-sit

Cat training is going OK. Helen is beginning to learn that instigating the dog results in isolation and she's a social creature...so she's let up on him. Shamas is learning to walk away albeing with some whining. If he chases or growls he is leashed, and secured in the livingroom, which he doesnt like anymore than Helen likes being secured in Her room

Shamas is beginning to use his Kennel. I'm waiting to get a Crate from my dad, so that I can see the size, and find out if it's big enough for us to use or if I need to buy one. Shamas has damaged our bedroom door trying to dig out of the room when we leave him in there so I will need to crate train him before it comes down to having to buy a new door. But the door is all that he's damaged so I suspect that Helen bothered him, and he was after her under the gap.

I want to thank everyone who's offered me help so far, and I welcome suggestions to further success with my new boy
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:38 PM
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Today I taught Shamas "heel" He'd nearly pulled both my dad and me off our feet, and my daughter into a snowbank, and I was quite annoyed with him...so I decided to turn that annoyance into something constructive. I sent the girls on ahead of me, and set to work. About a foot at a time we moved down the street. "No Pull" "Sit" " "Heel" over and over until he learned that pulling means sitting, and if you follow the "Heel" command, you get to keep walking. By the time we reached home, 3 blocks later, his Martingale hung loose below him like a necklace
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:15 PM
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Lightbulb Idea...

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re the bedroom door & the cat:
get one of the inexpensive dual foam-pole "door draft blockers" - the nylon-fabric sleeve goes under the door panel, & one foam noodle slides into a lengthwise pocket on each side. Then just slip the flat fabric-center under the door's bottom.
Whether the door is opened or shut, the entire draft-blocker moves along with the door.

similar to this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072ML35V2/

The foam-poles will prevent the cat from easily slipping her paw under the door to tease the dog.
With the gap shut, he can't see the cat lurking on the other side, or anyone walking back & forth, either. It should help him settle.

- terry

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Old 01-13-2018, 08:45 PM
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Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. Now I'm on the hunt for one. Isn't is funny how you see things all over the place...until you want them? I'll grab it as soon as I find it, perhaps Home Hardware carries them....meantime, perhaps if I shove a towel under the door. Depends on Helen's vigilance lol. I know I could ake something like it from a pool noodle, if I can get my hands on one of those.

I'm now feeding Breakfast and supper in the kennel, and closing the door. Shamas barks when he's done(which only takes a few seconds lol, and I have him sit, and lay down before I let him out. This way he learns that I will let him out every time I close him in...but only while he's behaving well. He's always wagging his tail when I let him out, and he still uses it on his own betweeen meals...so I think I'm doing this right....I'll move onto having him stay longer after I have the permanent crate-the kennel is only nylon, and the zipper has already been repaired from my dad's dog tearing his way out...so it'd never hold a breakaway attempt lol. I can see that with the height of his "sit" position, the 36inch crate unless a tall travel crate, (yet to see it) will be too small for extended stays. But I have a lead on a 42 inch, which I can buy for $50 on the 20th so that'll be the main one I train in. The 36 will go in my room for optional sleeping/denning while closed in.
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Update on encouraging behaviors

Shamas is now able to walk on my own block without tucking his tail, or pinning it to his end. Rather, he's sniffing the ground, and when he pulls I stop. I wait for his attention to turn to me, say "over here" and offer a treat upon his return to my side. He has willingly crossed the street corner to the next block, and walked two houses before turning to pull me home-which is progress. Will cross towards the school, as long as I don't walk him down that street(so I'm walking back home on that side of the road for now) and now willingly walks around the block from my side of the street, making all right turns with no street crosssings.

We drove to a park today, and walked Shamas from that park to another using side streets. He did well, only reacting a little at a crossing-but no worse than he would if I crossed him near my place at a main road- by turning away and leaning heavily on my leg. He recovered quickly on the other side, as we ducked straight onto a side road. Having the other dogs(my dad's pair) helps because they're both calm and set a good example of how to behave. Plus, his attention is more on them than the things that scare him. At both parks, I put him onto a 15foot lunge, and let him bunnyhop in the snow for a bit. I'm considering at a later date tethering him to Chloe who is accustomed to being a rock to Toby my dad's emotional rescue. He'd enjoy a good run at a dog's pace.

Crate training is sort of on hold, as I'm busy with other things I have the wire crate installed in the livingroom, and he uses it often. I've even looked for him and found him asleep in there. but I stopped closing the door after some issues with cats taunting him while he was closed in. Now I only shut it if I'm in the room with him, like when we eat in front of the TV. He's good for about 20 minutes.

I have connected with a lady who is in my area, who is going to help me train. She trains fosters for one of the rescue agencies, and has two dogs of her own-one of them is a reactive cattle dog. We have our first session on the 14th. She's going to start with Clicker work, and leash training.

We're also going to train Shamas to ring a bell at the back door, so that I dont miss his attempt to ask to go out. He doesn't make a peep- just stands quietly, and if no response goes and lays down. we've had a few accidents due to my missing his attempt to be let out. I don't blame the dog, I blame my inattentiveness. In every case, I was doing something and was late letting him out for a scheduled release. If he rings a bell, I wont miss his asking


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I'm also going through his toys, putting away squeaky toys, and anything he gets over-excited about. Hes started jumping/barking and growling during play. Part of it is my youngest not following advice not to "wind him up" My solution: Rules to play
If Shamas brings me a ball to play, and drops it at my feet, lots of praise, immediate toss. No drop=no toss. If he pulls back when I go to take it, I simply let go. Too many accidental bites are over tug-of-ball.

If Shamas jumps for a toy, "Ah! down" If he sits, the game can continue, but if he jumps a second time, I will take the toy and end the game.

Barking is my biggest frustration. Hubby and kids think it's funny-I don't. They will wave a toy around until he demand-barks. I've taken to ending Their games too
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It really sounds like yall are doing great. Its nice to see this.
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So Shamas saw a loacal lady, and she saw him on the walk. She says he's SO fearful on the walk that the best thing I can do for him at this time is to forego socialization etc and run him through near-constant training-sit, stay, heel while on our own block and in our back yard.

Of course, some days I'll need ot actually walk him, if I can't get to Petsmart...but those days it's a matter of keeping a decent speed so that hes less focused on what's around him and more focused on me.

There's a lady a street over who owns the King Shephard that he lunged at when we first got him- she used to be a profesional trainer- and I reached out through a neighbour. She's agreed to work with us. Her dog is so well trained that when Shamas lunged he completely ignored us. yet she says he's the worst behaved dog she's ever owned lol. (of course I dont know what what hes like at home )

The neighbour who set me up with the trainer-lady, he has designated his front porch as a safe space. So I can stop Shamas there at any time whether they are home or not. It's a good thing for him to have that in the neighbourhood. Especially as he can drop behind the porch railings to let other dogs pass by, while watching them from a distance!

Shamas has a little destructive behavior but not unresasonably so- he un-stuffs teddies and steals food bags to tear them to pieces. and I have to dispose of water bottles so that he can't tkae the m and rip off the labels. He seemslimin=ted to ripping up paper. I'm wondering if there's a toy that might satisfy that urge while I deal with the training part. Currently I walk up and say "thank you" as I take it from him. He doesn't fuss at all. I don't treat him for giving it up, as he shouldnt have taken it in the first place..and I don't want to train him to steal things for treats upon returning them.

the other thing I have going is teaching him to ring a bell. Once he gets the hang of it I'm going to hang the bell at the back door so that he can ask to be let out. Right now I'm giving him a treat each time he makes the bell jingle. Nose paw, shoulder doesn't matter-if he makes contact, and the bell jingles he gts a treat.

I'm starting some basic off-leash work. Shams keeps getting his tie-out tangled up on the porch steps, and can't come back in. WE need to fix them, the porch is over a decade old. A few days ago I was taking the recycling out, and shamas came out behind me. I knew that if I did anyting about it, it would become an issue-he'd either run off, or start doing it every time I opened the door. SO I ignored the fact that he came out with me. I simply told him to stay close and put out the blue box. The street was empty anyway as it was 06:30. When I was done I called him in with me. The way I figured it's progress from the fearful dog I adopted. I decided after that that we'd better establish the behavior and started using his morning pee to set the habit- he's so used to going out for exactly 90seconds, that I wouldn't have to worry as much about him taking off and chasing skunks lol.
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Oh yes and we found out that Shamas LOVES monkey in the middle! He was getting alittle wound up yesterday, so I called in a second player and started tossing the ball over shamas head. With the ball moving so much Shamas was continuously engaged, without barking, and we miss about every 3-4 throws so he gets it often. after 20 minutes he was panting and grinning like a fool!
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Drive your dog to feared place. Get dog to walk home.
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Monkey game sounded like great fun. So gr8 to hear it
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