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Old 09-15-2017, 08:21 AM
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Teaching a dog to bark on command does not necessarily go hand in hand with teaching a dog not to bark. The commanded bark is somewhat an unnatural behavior which is trained by capturing the moment when the dog barks normally and then marking the behavior in a positive fashion with an associated cue. Eventually, the dog will bark for no reason other than being cued to bark because of a positive consequence. "Undesirable" barking is the dog just being a dog and the best way to shut it down is to focus on the source which the dog reacts to vocally. I have found that showing a dog the target at which the dog is barking is of no concern or a perceived threat, is the best way to curtail undesirable barking. Dogs can be taught to self regulate rather than self reward if the consequence for self regulating is better than the self rewarding.

Other forms of nuisance barking such as a dog's excitement and arousal of a pending pleasurable event tested my patience and took consistency to finally cure. My dog easily associated my actions leading up to going outside to play/train. Putting my shoes and/or jacket on started the barking, the dog's excitement barking was normal but not desired by me but I enjoyed the anticipation and desire it was building, enter some impulse control training and teaching a dog that its barking does not get the dog its way. I'm guessing there were days when it took 10 minutes for me to get my shoes on because the dog hadn't quite figured it out yet. The moment the dog would start barking, I'd stop everything and be patient and not say a word, the moment the dog ceased barking, I would continue and positively mark. There was no reward except that I would proceed, the dog connected the dots and learned it could bark to her heart's content but it never got her anywhere closer to what she wanted. Eventually, we got to her extinction burst and the light went on.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:46 AM
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I don't like dogs barking I go volunteer at the animal shelter in my area and there is a rescue also and this dogs are always barking. I have no neighbors so my huskies howling and talking doesn't really disrupt anyone my brother's dogs however when they come to my home don't bark except to tell me they want to go outside and I wait for them to stop. The sheltie and lab are my brother's dogs. My huskies never get out while they are howling at me to do what they need. Normally water, food or go outside are the three things they howl for but I wait and tell them no they stop. One trainer that volunteered to work with me got the dogs to bark on cues at the shelter so I kind of get both. It's not tolerated at my home but before I give the okay for the dog to leave the shelter they can't bark. I live near a base and barking is not tolerated.
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My huskies don't howl unless needed. They normal howl for food, water, go outside nothing else. They talk but that is rewarded with being petted or running around. I don't let them out unless they stop howling and they understand that. My brother's dogs the sheltie and lab don't bark at all unless to tell me they need to go outside but I never let them out tell they stop and if they don't stop the huskies will open the doors to get to them(playing). I had a trainer volunteer with me that used cues at the shelter but we never give the release of a dog until it doesn't bark living in a military community the dog could be going on base and that's not tolerated on base so it's just best to not release tell barking has stopped completely. I don't tolerate the barking at my home. The howling at 7:44pm I do with them sometimes it's more like a release from work I guess it's fun I completely understand why my huskies howl at that time but besides doing it with them it's not treated or noticed in anyway. They don't get to do anything tell they stop. :-):-)
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Arrow to stop barking in shelters / rescues

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I don't like dogs barking -

I ...volunteer at the animal shelter in my area, & there's a rescue, also... the dogs are always barking.

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I volunteered at the Va Bch ACC, Norfolk ACC, Norfolk SPCA, Chesapeake Humane Soc, & occasionally at Hampton SPCA.

Norfolk ACC is an uninsulated corrugated warehouse - concrete floors, 40-ft overhead, a former city bus-garage.
They averaged over 200 dogs; small ones stayed in 2x2 cube cages on rollers, med & Lg dogs were in either indoor runs 8-ft x 12 ft, or "temporary" outdoor runs with light aluminum-tubing canopies to keep the sun or driving rain mostly off them.
There was no AC, indoors or out - 9-mos of the year, it could be stifling, with high humidity; mosquitoes & fleas are year-round, heartworm is also year-round.
The 40-ft overhead & poured-concrete floors with corrugated steel walls & roof meant an incredible echo-factor & lots of amplification; 10 dogs barking sounded like 100. / Ow.
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Va Bch ACC moved shortly B4 i left the state; i never got to work in or even visit the new building. // the old one, built in the late-50s / early 60s, was long-since outgrown, outdated, & overcrowded.

In the shape of an E, the long side was a corridor, with various offices off it; the 3 wings were small pets / small dogs, & 2 wings of Med / Lg dogs. // Exotics such as parrots, etc, usually stayed in the office corridor, to keep them from the ear-splitting din in the dog-wings. // There was a separate room for cats.
Poured concrete floors, cinderblock walls, concrete bunker roof with a half-attic above under corrugated steel panels. Incredibly LOUD when the dogs barked, which was every time someone entered their wing.
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Norfolk SPCA is now a "no kill" private shelter; it served for decades B4, as the contractual city-shelter; they finally grew a spine, & told Norfolk city-council they wouldn't do it anymore. Killing thousands of dogs every year, year in & year out, to save Norfolk the trouble of prosecuting pet-owners who abandoned their pets on the street, didn't sit well with their BoD.
Needless to say, this made for very bad feeling between Norf SPCA & the Police Dept for several years, as the city P.D. was forced to open a shelter & run it themselves.

Norf SPCA had originally double-tiers of dog runs; a 6-inch reinforced concrete floor for the 2nd tier was the "ceiling" for the dogs on the ground.

Theoretically, BIG dogs went on the ground, 'small' dogs were on the 2nd tier. In actual fact, they were always so stuffed, many a time i had to lift down a 60# dog whose paws were on a concrete floor level with my ear --- I'm 5' 8", & i still didn't find it easy to wrestle a scared dog off the upper deck into my arms, & thence down to the ground, to get him out for a walk.
Natch, i'd get dog-sh!t & pee on my clothing in the process, as the dog clambered on me to avoid falling to the rock-hard floor.

When they quit the city-pound contract, they jackhammered the 2nd tier down, removed that overhead cyclone fence, & used some of it to erect play yards outside - with pea-gravel substrate, & paved walks to keep feet out of the muck.
That left them with room for maybe 80 dogs in runs, 25 or 30 in rollway cube-cages, & a room for small pets - cats, bunnies, exotics.
Volunteering was way-easier work, once i didn't have to hoist a dog down from 6-ft above, to the floor.
But it was still uninsulated, not sound-proofed, all hard surfaces, & bl**dy loud!
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Chesapeake Humane was upscale - linoleum floors, wow. // 2x2 cubes for cats & small dogs; cyclone-fence runs for med & Lg dogs, with concrete kennel floors.
Low ceilings, only 7.5 ft, meant it got both hot & stuffy, & very LOUD.
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Hampton SPCA was also lino-over-concrete indoors, but they had a big barn-like area with dog runs in a separate skeletal building - roof, no walls.
All small dogs & cats, exotics, & some Med dogs were indoors - overflow-med & all Lg dogs were outside, in the rear 'barn'.
Indoors, they had 7-ft suspended ceiling tiles, & cinderblock walls - hard surfaces, lots of audio bounce, LOUD.
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I showed staff-members at every one of them various ways to teach the dogs to hush their din -
* walk in & WAIT for the 1st dog to shut-up; that one gets a treat. // Every dog who stops barking gets a treat, in the order in which they shut-up.

* the VB ACC had a volunteer group, Friends of V-Bch AC; members came by often to photograph new arrivals, write them up, & post them on-line.
They also walked the dogs outside on leash - thus, dogs expecting / hoping to go out, would bark insanely & lunge at the gates, making them crash on the pipe frames & adding to the deafening volume.
The dogs did this no matter *who* entered - FoVB-AC vols, or APOs simply looking for a dog to adopt.

I SHOWED THEM that simply wearing a hat when U were going to walk dogs prevented barking when they did NOT wear it; also, once a hat-wearing volunteer opened the gate on a chosen dog, the others would clam-up.
They thot it was too much trouble to wear a ball-cap.

* Ches Humane:
I walked past every kennel run when i arrived, walking steadily, making no eye contact, not speaking, & tossed a treat to EVERY SILENT dog. When i got to the end, i turned & went back - same thing.
By the time i got back to the entry door, 3/4 of the dogs were quiet, watching me, tails wagging.

I used just half-pea sized tidbits, one per dog - no mass quantities, no piles of junk-food.


There are many, many ways to reduce barking in confined groups of dogs -most employees, & many volunteers, can't be bothered to do them.
They'd rather wear earplugs, & complain about the din.

Playing a recording of 'dog laughter' over the P-A system will also reduce anxiety & nuisance barking; again, some shelters can't be arsed.

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Leashedforlive I can't tell if your agreeing with me or arguing your point?? :-)
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LFL,
I can't tell if your agreeing with me or arguing your point?? :-)
Neither.

Simply pointing out there are ways that barking - specifically nuisance-barking in shelters & rescues - can be reduced, put on cue, lowered in volume, lessened in frequency, etc.

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Okay thank you!! I will try some of those maybe. We usually don't give much treats at the shelter and rescue but I will see what I can do :-)
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Arrow more re "teeth-chattering" // Copy / Paste

yes, dear.

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One correction, cats who teeth chatter absolutely will vocalize!!!
I've had many cats and still have 2 and every one of them vocalized while teeth chattering at a bird or squirrel.

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were they INDOORS watching thru a window or door, or OUTdoors - looking, then stalking?

Feel free to sample UTube clips with the search-phrase, 'teeth-chattering cats' - it looks as tho approx 1/2 of cats indoors looking out, vocalize as well as teeth-chatter.

the cats on our farm [some ours; others, ferals who came simply to cadge food] did NOT vocalize while staring at prey - only chattered teeth, then decided on their vector & began to stalk. // "Our" cats numbered approx 8 - visitors changed constantly, & might total over 2-dozen known cats of various ages, sexes, & colors; maybe 4 to 8 would be stealing food at any given time.

I also observed the many owned & feral & abandoned cats in Ocean View, a Norfolk neighborhood along the bay - they, too, being outside & hoping to score, did not vocalize when they sighted prey.
One night in early-fall, i waited for a bus that was running late; i looked down 11th Bay, & counted the cats as they appeared, crossed the street, hunkered under porches, lurked under cars, etc;
27 different cats, in 45-mins - patched, striped, solid black / blue, tuxedo, U name it... in a 2-block length of that street, while i stood on Ocean View Ave.

- terry

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