Relationship Building Through Play or Engagement which Fenzi Class?

Go Back   Dog Forum > Keeping and Caring for Dogs > Dog Training and Behavior

Relationship Building Through Play or Engagement which Fenzi Class?

This is a discussion on Relationship Building Through Play or Engagement which Fenzi Class? within the Dog Training and Behavior forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Dogs category; I narrowed it down to taking one of these two classes for the Fenzi Academy: Relationship Building Through Play Engagement I've been working a lot ...

User Tag List

Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By lizzy275
  • 1 Post By lizzy275

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-27-2018, 11:28 AM
  #1
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Relationship Building Through Play or Engagement which Fenzi Class?

I narrowed it down to taking one of these two classes for the Fenzi Academy:

Relationship Building Through Play
Engagement

I've been working a lot of building my dog's play drive and engagement with me and have really got him a lot more motivated (just through watching a lot of her free vid's online and some other trainers) but still struggle with getting that same motivation in more distraction environments or even just outside like at the park, training facility, etc. My dog will work for food anywhere but personal play/toys not so much outside of our home or yard.

So wondering what course might be better to take and if anyone had any feedback in what they got out of these courses?

I've also really like Forrest Micke's style of working. He does have a "Teaching Engagement Skills" (only $39 vs $65 for the Fenzi bronze level classes) but not sure how detailed it is or which I would get more out of...

Thanks!
tuliprox likes this.
lizzy275 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2018, 01:32 PM
  #2
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I am a BIG Denise Fenzi and Forrest Micke fan. I’ve had the extreme good fortune of having them both work with me and my dogs one-on-one.

Forrest has worked with my 2 year old Standard Poodle since he was 12 weeks old. I’ve not taken one of his video classes; however, I looked over the video intro for his Engagement class and it looks like some of the things that we did when he was a puppy and still practice to this day.

Forrest is VERY detail oriented and sometimes I don’t know where his instruction is going to lead us. But, through experience, I know he breaks it down into small steps for the trainer to grasp (like we’re supposed to do with our dogs) so, I go on faith that I will see the big picture eventually.

Here’s a blog post with videos of one of Forrest Micke’s concepts broken down:
Canine Initiative Training: Value Transfer Concepts

Denise is also very good and has exceptional timing (so does Forrest). I’ve had one-on-one sessions with her on Engagement at FDSA camp. She is pretty laid back with letting the dog do his own thing until HE makes the decision to engage. If you are the slightest control-freakish (like me), it will drive you crazy. But, again, there is a method to her madness even if you don’t see it at first.

Just to make things difficult for you, there is another instructor at FDSA that I recommend. Her name is Shade Whitesel. She reminds me a bit of Forrest with the detail. She is VERY structured in reward placement, the specific commands to cue the dog where the reward is coming from, and whether the reward is food or a toy. I’ve taken her class “Toys – Developing Cooperation and Play” and have worked with her also at FDSA camp.

So, I might be inclined to take one of the Engagement classes. I don’t think you will go wrong with anything that you choose though.

All this instruction has paid off in the ring for me. My boy has his AKC CD with placements in all three legs. His first qualifying leg occurred when he was 1 year 11 months old and we earned High in Trial with a score of 196. We are now training for Open, Utility, and Agility and this dog is like a sponge.

Last edited by Standards13; 07-27-2018 at 01:34 PM.
Standards13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2018, 03:59 PM
  #3
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 33
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I bought Forrest Micke's engagement DVD, and it was amazing. I learned so much from it and my dog is so much more engaged with me now. Highly recommend

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
tuliprox is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 07-30-2018, 02:49 PM
  #4
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks so much for all the feedback! Standards13 - so cool you got to work with both of them, that must have been a great experience to say the least!

Looks like I might just take all 3 classes lol. I just love learning from an array of trainers, there's always something to learn.

Forrest's heeling vids look really interesting too. I've done tons of obedience work but I lack keeping it interesting/fun and from the promo this videos seem to do just that. Ugh and there's 3 in the heeler's toolbox, go figure, more to purchase!
tuliprox likes this.
lizzy275 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2018, 08:28 PM
  #5
Senior Member
 
Chas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,628
Mentioned: 126 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
I've take relationship building through play, it's excellent. More worth it than I thought it would be.
Chas is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Free Online Lessons, TUG, Play, Engagement Artdog Dog Training and Behavior 11 04-09-2018 04:30 PM
Hypothetical Ideal Puppy Class Chas General Dog Discussion 13 03-09-2017 07:29 AM
Teaching Play, engagement with rescue dog Artdog Dog Performance Sports 4 05-04-2016 03:46 PM
Should I allow dog to dog play? tange General Dog Discussion 20 04-06-2016 05:08 PM


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.