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Old 09-19-2009, 03:37 PM
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Really bad so called professional trainer???

Hi guys, newbie here.... Im posting because I would like some views please.
I foster/assess dogs for a rescue. This is what happened.
I fostered a staffie 8 month old boy (castrated). Boistrous etc as youngsters are. I was very strict with him - no excitement around other dogs/cats, disciplined with food etc. He was a doll - walked happily off lead with my russell and played ball happily off lead with my lurcher.
He was adopted by a lovely lady locally. 3 weeks after adoption he was out walking (on lead) when a stray dog (no owner about) rushed up to him - rucus ensued. No blood, no vet attention needed.
A week later he growled at a dog on a lead that was walked up to him.
A week after that we walked him together with my 4 doggies (on leads) - one short growl, then walked brill + sat relaxed and said hello relaxed to all 4 of my chaps.
This is literally the only problems he has had - not destructive, happy left alone, doesnt bark when alone, LOVES adoptive mum and family, will take choc drops gently etc etc etc - Beautiful.
However - being the responsible dog owner she is, adoptive mum thought socialising / training would be good, so she contacted local ''dog training'' academy. She explained the situation with the two times agression has been shown. Dog trainer (supposed to be professional) said on the first conversation (never having seen the dog) '' It sounds like he is a mastiff cross'' (amongst other unhelpful things). Adoptive mum VERY concerned (house & fencing is set up for a staffie - not a mastiff!!) phones me. I have to reassure her - he NO WAY looks like a mastiff/cross. Dog trainer asks to see him for an assesment.
This morning the assessment took place.
Adoptive mum turned up at academys training field - was told, muzzle him and tie him to this long running lead. The trainer then turned loose two of her dogs. dogs all said hello, then trainers two dogs walked away, and staffie pup followed. Barged one of the dogs (shoulder push - typical excited staffie) so both trainer dog set into him. Staffie responded with aggression (muzzled). Trainer told adoptive mum she could not call staffie back and ''not to worry - they are just showing him who is boss''. Adoptive mum and her 16 year old daughter in tears.
At the end of the session she was told that '' I have measured his chest and head and its a pit bull or a pit bull mix'' '' its very agressive'' ''it has to be put on the dangerous dogs list - cost 1500'' '' you MUST take the dog to specialist agression training - 100 a session'' etc etc. Adoptive mum felt humiliated - the assesment took place in front of 5 strangers, the trainer didnt explain or ask any questions, didnt comfort adoptive mum or show ANY understanding whatsoever - in fact adoptive mum said it was apparent from the moment she arrived that the trainer was disapproving - even before the assessment!!

I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE BEEN SO PSSED OFF!!!! This so called trainer has surely CAUSED this dog to become agressive - surely having two dogs set to him (without ANY control from a pack leader) has just shown him it is justified to be agressive?!?! The whole experience was AWFUL and has left adoptive mum in tears the whole day thinking she now has a PIT BULL!!!!!! I spoke to the vet and he said NOTHING in the 3-4 times he has been in to him has made him think its a pit bull - he has been a lovely dog.
I AM LIVID AND JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE HLL TO DO!!!!
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Old 09-19-2009, 03:54 PM
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Holy cow I would be livid too!

That trainer is a moron...plain and simple...Iam assuming you are in europe, but if its the same as it is here in the US...ANYONE can call themselves a trainer and start taking peoples money. Sounds like this guy knows a whole lot of nothing about dog behavior.


Does the new owner have any other dogs? Are they willing to keep this dog and work with it? He WILL need a decent amount of training to feel safe around dogs again. Poor guy.

Staffies in the US.. and Pit bulls are the same thing... the term pit bull just refers to several breeds including staffies....I don't know how you guys refer to them there.



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Old 09-19-2009, 04:13 PM
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Yep - Im in the UK
Trainer is a woman though.... I was shocked, livid and upset.
No - adoptive mum has no other dogs and they want to keep him.
Well - im glad im not the only one who thought the ''training '' done today was RIDICULOUS!!!
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Oh, that trainer is completely off base...I'd demand my money back if I were them...hopefully they get the poor guy to a nice positive trainer who has dealt with these sort of issues before...you can't fix aggression with aggression IMO.



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Here he is - opinion on breed please??? Hope the attachment works

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awww hes cute...

I'd simply call him a pit mix...do you have a standing photo of him? How much does he weigh?



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He just looks like a Staffie to me , an adorably cute one too

someone should report that 'trainer' before she does any more damage to someones pet
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OMG That trainer sounds awful-what a terrible experience!!!

This is so not on par with your story but I've a bad trainer story too-this was Oh's mother, she took her chi's to puppy class. The trainer hit and screamed at dogs in the class-and said that an owner MUST hit or pinch their dogs to show who's boss. To boot she taught heel by using cheese covered spoons to lead the dogs at a heel....She left after the second class but what a bunch of baloney!! She has a whole facility where she trains too...SAD!

If it costs extra to register a pitt or they are restricted, ensure she does not register the dog as such-A lot of people around here (they are restricted in my city) call them 'lab mixes' instead

Please keep us posted on how pup recovers from the incident!!
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omg!!!!! what a horrible story! how awful to take a dog's defense away, when he trusts you and then put him in a situation where he would feel like he was in danger. ooooh that is infuriating! poor dog. that trainer just helped to create a bad situation for him and his mom. kudos to adoptive mom for sticking with him though...and you for helping her out. i really hope she goes back to that trainer to tell her what a horrid jerk she is!....let us know how the little guy does...what's his name?



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I have never met a trainer who does something stupid like that! I have met trainers who test a dogs canine aggression level with another dog, but that other dog DOES NOT REACT! A dog showing him who's boss will not ever help, and in most cases, such as this, has made it worse.

I suggest careful socializing with only specific dogs until that dog understands that he is not going to be hurt. I doubt he will ever fully get over it, but as long as he realizes he (hopefully) has a strong pack leader, he wont feel the need to react.

Does that make sense? Im tired, it makes complete sense to me, let me know if I confused you at all.
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